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Whats your opinion on the Akavir races? Do you really believe that the Tsacei ate all of the humans on entire continent? Do you think that Tosh Raka is truly a Dragon converter & that one day he will invade Tamriel? If so do you think him & his feline race will take over & rule Tamriel or will it just be another failed invasion?

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It's hard to say, there's been so little information given about Akaviri that I don't think any of us can give any definite answer until the Bethesda team gives us more details in the future game or post. Until then, all we can do is speculate.

It's highly plausible that the Tsacei devoured or simply killed all the men on Akaviri, or perhaps enslaved them as well. The men in Tamriel have heard so little from the land in hundreds of years, it would seem likely that if men did still live there they would perhaps try to contact their Tamrielic neighbours.

Again, regarding Tosh Raka, who's to say for sure? Although I will say though that if they did invade I think it would make a pretty bad-ass game for players to have to fight a giant tiger-dragon in order to save Tamriel. Perhaps the whole idea could be part of a potential game in the future that developers have tucked away in their sleeves. I would certainly hope so, at least. But in regards in whether he will invade or not, I think it will be very likely. One glance at Tamriel's history at how the other races invaded/warred against each other in the past (and still do now), I don't think it should come as much of a surprise that the Akaviri races react the same way.

Or hell, maybe the folks of Tamriel will be the ones who invade?

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Yea I wish that they would release more info on the whole continent. But if the made a game to were you had to fight I wish that it would be like Skyrim, You had a choice to see who wins the war the stormcloaks or imperials. I would most definetly choose the Ka po'tun .

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Ehh, I doubt it, I think it would be also a lot like Skyrim and in Oblivion where you didn't have the option to join the Dragons or Mehrune's side. They were the antagonists of the story and joining their side would screw up the whole world and ruin the whole story the team worked hard to make.

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Probably & I bet we will never get to see a game like that although it would be pretty awesome. Maybe they will do just a game in Akavir so we could pick a race to fight for I would definitely like to kill some Tsasei  or beat up a Tang Mo. Plus since they haven't went that far into the future maybe Tosh does take over Tameriel & rules it. I seriously doubt that is what will happen but it would very interesting to see how it plays out. I'm ready for one that has more races then just the normal ones.

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Akavir is a parasitic plane that doesn't even physically exist.

You heard it here first.

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Wait what? Akavir does exist it is continent that is east of Tamriel. They have invaded on multiple occasions once Tamriel invaded them although it didn't last very long it still happened. Or is there something I'm missing here?

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Dude, you trolling us? :/

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He has to be I mean its in the lore surely it's real

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Dyrannus wrote:

Wait what? Akavir does exist it is continent that is east of Tamriel. They have invaded on multiple occasions once Tamriel invaded them although it didn't last very long it still happened. Or is there something I'm missing here?

If you're not ready to consider the possibility of something that doesn't exist sending invaders into something that does exist, I'm not sure you'll be able to handle some of the deeper lore.

Akavir-as-parasitic-pseudo-world isn't a commonly known or accepted theory, but it's a good litmus test for newcomers.

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Give me some of the deeper lore then I always thought it was real since of the invasions.

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The problem is one of contradiction.

In the Aurbis, unlike in Actuality, it is not impossible and in fact not even improbable that an apparent contradiction can be true. This is a world that is a dream, where an element of the dream can wake up independently of the dreamer and begin dreaming a new world. This is a world where it is possible for people to climb to the moon on each other's backs simply because they hallucinate that it is possible. It is possible for holes to exist across three dimensions and for a finite space to hold an infinite subspace.

It is possible that a place that does not exist may influence and be influenced by a place that does.

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Dyrannus wrote:
Wait what? Akavir does exist it is continent that is east of Tamriel. They have invaded on multiple occasions once Tamriel invaded them although it didn't last very long it still happened. Or is there something I'm missing here?

What you're missing is that we don't know that. Rather we have sources like Mysterious Akavir, Brief History of the Empire, 2920 Last year of the First Era and a few miscellaneous snippets that sticks in the cracks of other stories like old chewing gum. From all that we can surmise.

What we surmise only has to fit what we have observed. It doesn't have to be limited by it. As far away and as unreachable as Akavir is, a continent or a vampire world parasitic-pseudo-plane would look pretty much the same. Now you could cut through this and related ideas by applying Occams Razor but that would be missing the point. Bibliophael isn't publishing at Gwylim.

Anyway Bibliophael was a bit smarter then that too. If you chew on the Monomyth, Faith in the Empire and the Light and Dark for a while you'll notice that all the gods are the same but different across cultures. This is weird. If they were real, they'd always be the same as the Daedra. If they aren't, they'd be radically different like on Earth. After some more chewing and maybe with a hint from the Sermons you'll come to the conclusion that the gods worshipped by Mortals, the Aedra that died in the creation of Mundus are just that, dead. What we worship now is our own memories draped over their dead bodies. Dead bones animated by the memories of their past live.

And that, as crazy as it sounds, this is what makes this parasitic-pseudo-plane a pretty clever idea.

TLDR; If you do it right you can make shit up and entertain us all.

@Bibliophael, sorry mate, but this is why we have gateway drugs. :P

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Why would you feel the need to test new comers to the site to ee if they can handle 'deeper' lore? That's a bit elitist, don't you think?

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Caista wrote:

 That's a bit elitist, don't you think?

Welcome to the Ivory White-Gold Tower.

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Bibliophael wrote:

The problem is one of contradiction.

In the Aurbis, unlike in Actuality, it is not impossible and in fact not even improbable that an apparent contradiction can be true. This is a world that is a dream, where an element of the dream can wake up independently of the dreamer and begin dreaming a new world. This is a world where it is possible for people to climb to the moon on each other's backs simply because they hallucinate that it is possible. It is possible for holes to exist across three dimensions and for a finite space to hold an infinite subspace.

It is possible that a place that does not exist may influence and be influenced by a place that does.

I've never heard of this theory, can you explain more about it.

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Caista wrote:

Why would you feel the need to test new comers to the site to ee if they can handle 'deeper' lore? That's a bit elitist, don't you think?

I didn't intend the vampire world theory to be a test. I posted it because it's my own pet theory.

The obvious confusion it was met with was what prompted me to observe it's really not so far-fetched as Elder Scrolls lore goes.

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I believe that it exists maybe it doesn't but still if it does exist just imagine the possibilities wait for the next games we could have a new continent to go on or new races to be.