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I propose for,
role-playing sake, that we judge Vivec and the Tribunal in an
improvised Daggerfall type tribunal. If Vivec is condemned then he
gets to rotten for ages in a dark imperial prison cell.
We
need a jury. Anyone who comes to this forum will do.
A judge,
someone who knows something of Tamriel law and application of law.
One or more acusation advocates.
One or more defense
advocates.
So lets exaust all evidences and look throug them
at the light of Imperial law and see if Vivec should punished. If
neccessary we create new and just laws. But let not justice be
undone.
We also need an acusator and witnesses and the
acusator would be me.
I acuse the Tribunal of the murder of
Nerevar and usurpation of power by illegal means and without a
contract with the Dark Brotherhood.
I acuse the Tribunal of
retaining and hiding a valuable and very powerful magic artifact
called the heart of lhorkan and use it for his own needs without
first consulting the Emperor. Considering the fact that the Tribunal
has put in danger the entire world of Nirn and created that
abomination Dagoth Uhr and the Corprus plage. These is very serious
indeed.
I acuse the Tribunal of falsely claming to be Gods
without the aprovation or intervention of the 8 divinities. Tribunal
godhood is an insult and mockery to the gods and corrupts people
faith in the eight divinities.
I acuse the Tribunal, with his
Godhood claims to conspire and try to weaken the power of the
emperor, just like they tried to usurp the throne of the Nerevarine
and succeced.
We first need a judge, advocates, witnesses and
a jury then the real tribunal will be open. Anyone is ineterested ?
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Zingbat,
Your motive is correct, but unfortunately this idea cannot
be implented. You wish to see justice done, but the people available
are mere scholars and I myself am the only citizen of Cyrodiil of
all of them. I am of the lower class, so I have no influence among
the judiciary system of the Empire, and certainly not enough to
convict an ex-god, no matter what his crimes.
I personally
would like for Vivec to speak to the scholars of this Empire for
himself, but he no longer shows himself in public, or at least very
rarely. Nigedo I believe has spoken with him long ago, so perhaps
you could put in a word with the good fellow. If you can somehow set
something up, than I would be happy to be there. Until then though
Vivec lies in the hands of Stendarr.
Truly yours, Girai
Harkaanius Student of the Imperial Arts and Citizen of the
Empire The Imperial City, Cyrodiil
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Anu is the answer.
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Any honest
citizen of Tamriel can take any of the positions mentioned
above.
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exchange the many dirty joke and then too much the laughing
activity. -- Veloxi
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I'll be a
defense advocate. If we actually do this.
-------------------- Chris II- level 56 Breton Other
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*In remember's of my Characters Chris and
Will who both died at the hands of the evil hard drive crash*
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Hmmm... if
convicted, he should be sentenced to 4000 years of service for the
Dunmer people... oh, wait...
Seriously. Good luck catching
him. I imagine he can be slippery when he wants to be, and he's used
to his liberty. The only way you're going to do anything to Vivec is
if he decides that it would serve some purpose to allow you to do
it. And I don't see that happening. I suppose you can try him in
absentia.
(two c's in accuse, btw )
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VIVEC daughter
of Mphaal and from her male sons and [forbidden] I have heard and
the voice of the weak [forbidden] of the men who are fighting
[forbidden] of raging women who curse and afflict and cause pain
they have descended against them Vendor-sellers, Etadachiel and
Padachiel, The Emperor the great and The Unnamed Vendor and Sahtiel
and seized them and by the tufts of hair and the tresses of their
heads and broke the horns which were high and tied them by the tufts
of hair of their heads and said to them "remove that which you have
cursed" and they said to him "from the pain of our heart we cursed
and from the bitterness of our palate we resolved to curse" I have
made you swear and adjure you in the name of Mnemol and Etadachiel
and Padachiel and The Emperor the Great and The Unnamed Vendor and
Sahtiel that you release [forbidden] and free [forbidden] VIVEC
daughter of Mphaal and [forbidden] male and female from [forbidden]
all the curses [forbidden] cursed and from the curses of [forbidden]
and the mother and from the curse of the prostitute [forbidden] and
the fetus and from the curse of the employee and employer who stole
the wage and from the curse of the brothers who did not divide
truthfully among themselves and from the curses of all people who
curse in the name of idol demons and their surrenderings you are the
healer you are the healer who heals sicknesses with words you are
the healer who turns away the sicknesses and the curses of those who
cursed VIVEC daughter of Mphaal in the name of the Aedra and
Etadachiel and Padachiel and The Emperor and The Unnamed Vendor and
heal and annul the curses of those who curse VIVEC daughter of
Mphaal. And upon a stone which is unsplit I sat [forbidden] and I
wrote all of the curses upon a new bowl of clay and I sent back the
curses of those who cursed VIVEC daughter of Mphaal to their masters
until they release and bless in the name of Ysmiel the earthbone and
Bosmiel the earthbone and in the name of Ysmiel and Bosmiel you
release from the curses of those who curse VIVEC daughter of Mphaal
as a man as a man is freed from the house of bondage and from the
house of weapons GYEH GYEH AL AFLAQ [forbidden] may there be health
and sealing [forbidden] and to the house of VIVEC daughter of Mphaal
and to the male sons [forbidden]
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Well.
Obviously I have no career in prophecy.
Is there a judge? I
have no skill at Imperial law. I suppose a mob will serve as well as
a court, for a trial such as this, with the sentence already
decided!
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Wouldn't you
need total newbies or people who have never played the game for the
jury? Everyone else seems to have made up his or her mind about
Vivec, and that WOULD affect the outcome of the trial.
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Wouldn't you need total newbies or people who have never
played the game for the jury? Everyone else seems to have made up
his or her mind about Vivec, and that WOULD affect the outcome of
the trial.
Yeah, that is a good point...
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My good Vehk,
How nice of you to join us once again. Forgive me for
detracting from the topic at hand, but your words have stirred
memories inside my head. Just under two years ago, Jobasha received
a similar message from the Morag Sultha:
A curse on the Khajiti House:
"PSJJJJ
daughter of Satakel and from her male sons and [forbidden] I have
heard and the voice of the weak [forbidden] of the men who are
fighting [forbidden] of raging women who curse and afflict and
cause pain they have descended against them Aedra, Etadachiel and
Padachiel, The Dagonites the great and The Unnamed Baron and
Sahtiel and seized them and by the tufts of hair and the tresses
of their heads and broke the horns which were high and tied them
by the tufts of hair of their heads and said to them "remove that
which you have cursed" and they said to him "from the pain of our
heart we cursed and from the bitterness of our palate we resolved
to curse" I have made you swear and adjure you in the name of
Aedra and Etadachiel and Padachiel and The Dagonites the great and
The Unnamed Baron and Anuiel that you release and free [forbidden]
PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel and [forbidden] male and female from
[forbidden] all the curses [forbidden] cursed and from the curses
of [forbidden] and the mother and from the curse of the prostitute
[forbidden] and the fetus and from the curse of the employee and
employer who stole the wage and from the curse of the brothers who
did not divide truthfully among themselves and from the curses of
all people who curse in the name of idol demons and their
surrenderings you are the healer you are the healer who heals
sicknesses with words you are the healer who turns away the
sicknesses and the curses of those who cursed PSJJJJ daughter of
Satakel in the name of the Aedra and Etadachiel and Padachiel and
The Dagonites and The Unnamed Baron and heal and annul the curses
of those who curse PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel. And upon a stone
which is unsplit I sat [forbidden] and I wrote all of the curses
upon a new bowl of clay and I sent back the curses of those who
cursed PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel to their masters until they
release and bless in the name of Sariel the angel and Barakiel the
angel and in the name of Sariel and Barakiel you release from the
curses of those who curse PSJJJJ daughter of Satakel as a man as a
man is freed from the house of bondage and from the house of
weapons ALMSIVI ALMSIVI AL SEHT [forbidden] may there be health
and sealing [forbidden] and to the house of PSJJJJ daughter of
Satakel and to the male sons [forbidden]."
Learn true
Scripture as I stuff your mouth with birds.
Your words,
just like the aforementioned message, have some greater
significance. Perhaps you can enlighten us on their deeper meaning.
~B
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I'm willing to
serve as a member of the jury; I've not yet completely studied
enough of Vivec to know whether he is in the right, or in the wrong.
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is but the beginning of a beginning, and all that is and has been is
but the twilight of the dawn."
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Master Vehk, I
am astonished by the impudence of these upstarts. But their
foolishness precedes them like the long shadows of broken towers.
May their mouths be stuffed with birds.
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Vehk,
I did not mean impudence, on the contrary, I recognize your
knowledge. Far beyond any mortal before or after you. I also
recognize that you are still mortal, and that in your madness you
would consider yourself a god. I have said nothing untrue, but have
studied long and come to the conclusion that what you have said and
done is what would have been done by any other mortal had they been
in your position.
Nonetheless, anyone must be held for their
crimes. I do not and can not curse or condemn you, I can only speak
the truth. You have taken a position not rightfully yours, and only
belonging to imperfect beings such as the Aedra and Daedra by divine
intervention. You have seized something not yours and led an entire
race astray, wielding much more power than any mortal should
possess. Like any other thief, it seems you will be tried. I only
wish it was a lesser thing that was taken, for we have seen the
result of such deeds by the Dwemer.
I pray you a merciful
and yet just trial.
Truly, Girai Harkaanius
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Anu is the answer.
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the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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Come, little
pets, shave me to the bones. Sit on the mercy seat and render unto
me a world picture. Build me a cage from your dead fathers. Ignore
that ache behind the eye of recognition that simply cannot be some
ancient advance on your cave mothers now sown some three thousand
years hence. Or can it... you, all my daring fruit? Lion, choke not
on the newborn sun. He was so young the day he drew you out.
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Vehk,
We recognize your guilt, but like any other
mortal before you, no matter how far away the sin, you must be held
accountable. Be an example to your struggling people and be tried.
Your people still have much faith in you as you have seen here among
the scholars. Your crimes are widely known, I beg you for the sake
of your people and for the sake of yourself, submit to the law. You
spent much time enforcing the law while you possessed the throne of
your people, now is your time to submit to the greater law which you
upheld.
For the sake of all step down from your high position
and be treated as any other mortal. This is the god your people
worshipped, one who came to their level. Do it again to truly show
your repentence.
Girai Harkaanius
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil citizen who believes
Anu is the answer.
The second to see the Brass God was
the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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Ho, ho, ho,
who's this "we", Girai? Are you sovereign of some far state now? And
you speak of his guilt before the trial begins.
Among my
people, we have no such idiotic idea as that of trying a creature
among people who know nothing of his deeds. We are judged by those
who know us, and can swear oaths to stand by us. But I understand
that the Cyrodiils have blinded themselves in homage to the god of
logic. Convict yourself of impartiality if you will; I will stand
with my eyes open. Have we still no judge? Then let a solemn quorum
of honest folk be found, if you can govern your lust for blood so
far as to pretend to decency.
I observe some irregularities
in the accusation. At the time of the alleged crimes, no Dark
Brotherhood under that name existed. Nor was there an Emperor who
ruled over the land of Resdaynia.
Last I heard, the worship
of the pantheon of Alessia was a matter of conscience, not law. If
we are to convict those who refuse the worship of the devourer of
worlds, I must throw myself upon the mercy of the court.
And,
lastly, where was the throne of the Nerevarine? Such a creature
never had a throne. The Hortator Nerevar, while he lived, was called
King. Is that who you mean?
It seems I have signed on for the
defense, which is ironic. But though I have no love for Cyrodiils
and their justice, still I have in my heart honor and truth. Convict
Vivec and put him to shame, if he will stand for it. But before you
murder him untried you will see me
bleed.
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We recognize your guilt, but like any other mortal before you,
no matter how far away the sin, you must be held accountable. Be
an example to your struggling people and be tried.
Sounds like he's already been
tried and convicted by many here. It
seems to me there would be very little point in holding a court
trial after all this time... A trial isn't necessary in order to
either mourn lost innocence or gloat over it. As for Vehk being held
accountable, the "struggling people" don't seem to wish for it. That
particular thirst seems to remain in the throats of certain scholars
and would-be Nerevarines.
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But what will
this achieve? Has not Vehk been stripped of his stolen 'Godhood'? Is
it not punishment enough being plunged back to the mortal realm
after experiencing the glory of the (secret) tower? Realise this:
what the triune may or may not have done is irrelevant. The ultimate
sacrifice of his 'divinity' is surely payment enough - especially
since it was a willing act to help save not only the Dunmer, but all
of Tamriel. Does he not deserve our sympathy rather than our scorn?
We cannot hope to see the bigger picture in what has and what will
be. Do not let your petty selfishness remove Mystery from
Nirn.
Stri'Ker, Khajiit Scholar
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Ah, yes, I
find all of this mildly entertaining, but I must agree with Stri'Ker
on this one. What do you hope to achieve by putting this mer on
trial? Surely, there are better ways for his Secrets to spill out
upon the floor. If some have their way, the floor will be covered in
blood not Secrets.
In this case, guilt and innocence are so
subjective. I certainly am not qualified to pass judgment. Whether
he committed these so-called "crimes" or not is of no concern to me.
But what do I know? I am not a Warrior-Poet. I find Vehk’s
words enlightening at times, but Vehk’s Endeavor is not my Endeavor.
I am merely a collector. A collector of trinkets, stories, and
spells--perhaps more, at times. But for now, I simply gather what I
can and share what I find.
I must go. Before I leave,
though, I will give you this:
I have seen the World, and the World is cracking.
Some of us walk around on the egg shells, others try to pin blame
on those who broke It, and still others try to glue the pieces
back together. All to no avail! A Change is upon us. A Change that
will sweep across the Mundus. We must be prepared for that time.
~B
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Order in the
Court! lol j/k
Seriously though, I think that there is an
Armistice between Tiber Septim and Vivec on his right to still be
worshiped by his people. In this agreement the Emporer gives the
right for Morrowind Citizens to still worship the Tribunal as Gods.
I have never seen this document, and I believe it was a treaty that
was sorta unpublicized. But if its good enough for Tiber, it should
be good enough for anyone else in the Empire. You can read more
about it here.
-------------------- Alchemy
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* The
librarian just stands there doing nothing and looks confusing
hearing Vehk's words and other accusing people. He tries to speak
but in the end he chooses not to and resume standing like the rest
of Vvardenfell inhabitants *
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None here can
successfully judge Vivec. All the directly accusing accounts come
from outdated sources that could easily have changed in the course
of three and a half millenia. Has anyone here ever played Messengar?
It is the same. The message may have been corrupted, and thus is
inadmissable.
The only other accounts left to us are those
straight from Vivec, Dagoth Ur, and indirect accounts from Azura and
Almalexia. All four seem to be of the same mind: Nerevar did not die
before the final confrontation with Dagoth Ur, and everything after
that point was a blur.
If this is a trial by jury, the jury
must see that there is absolutely no viable evidence against Vivec;
all facts side with him.
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I'm willing to serve as a member of the jury; I've not yet
completely studied enough of Vivec to know whether he is in the
right, or in the wrong.
Truly it is fitting that a
self-professed scholar of the Mad God should see order and logic in
this procession. What a merry dance.
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I see myself
in no way qualified to judge Vivec.
By the way, does
Morrowind or the Empire have any sort of Statute of Limitations?
Seems to me like that might be a factor for something that happened
so long in the past. Not even considering what he's done in the
interim for Morrowind, I think it has been too long to judge him for
any crimes he may have committed at Red Mountain.
Is it
illegal to tap the Heart of Lorkhan? Did the Tribunal really kill
Nerevar? What's the punishment for oath breaking? Can any of those
possible crimes still be tried? Can you really find evidence for a
murder that may have happened 3500 years ago?
And really, I
think they've been punished enough. Sotha Sil and Almalexia are
dead. Vivec seems to be suffering from a bit of ennui after all
these years, and, according to his dialog, doesn't even seem to care
if the Nerevarine kills him.
And if Vivec is judged by his
peers, just who would that be? Regardless of anyone's position on
Vivec's divinity, you have to admit that he's not your everyday
mortal. Methinks that you couldn't find a jury of peers for Vivec in
all of Mundus; at least not without going to Oblivion or to a
spoke-plane. Of course, stripped of his 'divinity', Vivec may find
peers in the likes of Divayth Fyr, Baladas Demnevanni, Loremaster
Celarus, and possibly the Nerevarine.
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There can be
no jury of peers. Only the Tribunal exists at their level. Other
beings either exist below or above them. Possibly Divayth Fyr and
Yagrum Bagarn could testify, but they are probably prejudiced.
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Truly it is fitting that a self-professed scholar of the Mad
God should see order and logic in this procession. What a merry
dance.
A scholar of Sheogorath may be
a jester in the Emperor's court.
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I acuse the Tribunal of the murder of Nerevar and
usurpation of power by illegal means and without a contract with
the Dark Brotherhood.
This is technicly possible,
but to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt would be a formidable
task. Most, if not all, Key witnesses are long since dead. The first
order of business is proving that there was even a murder in the
first place.
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I acuse the Tribunal of retaining and hiding a valuable and
very powerful magic artifact called the heart of lhorkan and use
it for his own needs without first consulting the Emperor.
Considering the fact that the Tribunal has put in danger the
entire world of Nirn and created that abomination Dagoth Uhr and
the Corprus plage. These is very serious indeed.
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I acuse the Tribunal of falsely claming to be Gods without the
aprovation or intervention of the 8 divinities. Tribunal godhood
is an insult and mockery to the gods and corrupts people faith in
the eight divinities.
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I acuse the Tribunal, with his Godhood claims to conspire and
try to weaken the power of the emperor, just like they tried to
usurp the throne of the Nerevarine and succeced.
Theese charge's are mostly
rendered invalid by terms of the Armistace Agreement, you may wish
to review the agreement, in order, before submitting charges. In any
envent your trying to assign imperial authority to what had happened
before Morrowind was even a part of the Empire.
Sorry for
being the "Devils Advocate", but if you want any assemblence of
legitamacy your going to have to be quite thorough, very specific,
and extreamly careful in the wording of your charges and in the
basis of the charges.
EDIT: It just occured to me
"Devils Advocate" heh. This is Post number 666 for me, mere
coincidence I assure you. But weird none-the-less
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You all make
good points, honestly I got a bit ahead of myself. I believe this
entire thing just came out of a desire to simply know the truth.
Vehk, people have been going back and forth for who knows
how long trying to figure out your motivations behind the Sermons,
whether you helped slay Nerevar, and many other questions. You speak
of guilt for your actions, but lash out at people simply wondering
(rather boldly I'll admit) what those actions were. If you would
take responsibility and answer these questions, then all could be
resolved. Simply speak the truth, and we will go our ways.
I'm not sure if you will respond to this Master Vehk, but it
had to be asked. If you do not want a foolish throng banging on your
door, then take away their reason to do it.
Respectfully,
Girai Harkaanius
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil
citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
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Is that all?
You lot remind me of cliff racers harrying a dragon. It has but to
draw breath, and they scatter.
Great and gracious Lord, I
have this instant understood why you came here. (See, Nords do
think, if slowly!) The time is coming; it seems the time is not yet.
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But Girai, you
forget that few will accept such answers. Unless Vehk announces his
guilt, the answer will not be satisfactoy. If he were to stand up
and say "I did not kill Nerevar", doubters would claim he lied. If
he were to stand up and say "I killed Nerevar", he would be torn
apart instantly. This is a clear case of d@mned if he does and d@mned if he doesn't.
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Citizens of
the Empire, i represent a group of people who want to remain
anonymous. I have mouths to feed and my position in the Imperial
court is crytical. My accusations could be ignored if it was not for
the pressure for them to go forward. So this judgement must be
carried. With or without the Tribunal a statement must be made to
the people.
Before i present the accusations again, there
some things that must be clarified. First if there is no judge and
no advocate to acuse the Tribunal then the mob will have to do. If
there is an Imperial officer present he may take the rule of jury
and judge. I cannot participate because i am making the
accusations.
This is not the judgment of the Cyrodills or the
Empire. This is not the judgement of Imperial law itself. This is
the judgement of the Tribunal against the accusations that were
placed against them. The outcome of this judgement is what this
improvised Tribunal will do and its only purpose is to serve justice
itself without favors.
If the mob decides with their heart
then justice will not be served. Mercy is for the weak, mercy brings
corruption and decline of valors. The Empire will decline and the
world will be a dark place to live on. Justice should be applyied
with whatever facts we know because grave acts have been commited
and we know who did them.
I place my accusations again and
ask for you to judge by actual Imperial and to take in consideration
the changes that happened in the last days of the
Tribunal.
First Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of
the murder of Nerevar and usurpation of power by illegal, and most
grave of all, to be unetical and immoral. By this i mean one of
these: without the participation of the Morag Tong or the Dark
Brotherhood, without first establishing alliances with the major
rulers. In other words a cruel, savage murder, without any humanity
or honor.
What is your veredict for this accusation
?
Second Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of retaining
and hiding a valuable and very powerful magic artifact called the
heart of lhorkan and use it for his own needs without first
consulting the Emperor and the official organizations for regulating
the use and discovery of new magical artifacs.
What is your
veredict for this accusation ?
Third Accusation:
I
accuse the Tribunal has put in danger the entire world of Nirn and
created that abomination Dagoth Uhr and the Corprus plage. Of not
informing the Empire of its consequences to full extent, so that the
proper actions could be taken by Imperial authority to correct the
mistakes.
What is your veredict for this accusation
?
Fourth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of falsely
claming to be Gods without the aprovation or intervention of the 8
divinities and their highest hierarchy of priests. I contest the
decision of the Emperor at that time and ask for it to be revised
because it was only possible by the use of dark magics against his
venerable person.
What is your veredict for this accusation
?
Fifth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal, with his
Godhood claims to conspire and try to weaken the power of the
emperor with inflamatory and anty-impireal messages inside the
sermons.
What is your veredict for this accusation
?
Please whenever you make a stamenent fundament your
veredicts with the proper sources and certified documents and dates
from the Imperial Library historical
records.
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He is
obviously not guilty on all things suggested, but I believe if he
simply stated what he is guilty of and what he isn't, people would
hold him in higher esteem.
Even if he did kill Nerevar, I
would not be one to condemn him. For that matter, I doubt anyone
would. It has been suspected and believed on various levels by many
in the past, and I suspect that if admitted the reaction would be
merciful.
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil citizen
who believes Anu is the answer.
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Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as
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Dumb, deaf
dreamers,
You struggle to make the idea of my trial conform
to your standards. To this, I refuse. But to swim in the new
phlogiston, I will submit myself to a challenge of accountability—
--under Dunmeri rules.
What is required is a
Tribunal, silly Incarnates, which accuses me of crime or crimes, and
to which my final judgment is foregone unless I save myself. And a
High Council to sway or solidify their position, or to generally
throw stones and verses. And eye-witnesses, whose presence has taken
me awhile to…secure.
And since Vehk and Vehk will not give
ground on his soul to any but his equals, I appoint my own Tribunal
to charge me. And I command them to do their best to damn me, even
if it tugs at their conscience. Thus do I appoint to mythic status:
Mercy- Allerleirauh, my sweet Nord, so ironic that my heart
sits at the feet of the daughter of CHEMUA, YSMIR, HOAG. Do your
best, Mother.
Mystery- Hasphat Antabolis, Dwemer-infested
and confused, so fitting to sit in my brother’s seat, what shall you
bring to this?
And Mastery- my little Nigedo whirling, I
expect the deepest strokes from you. Enigma, you’ve become Enemy.
Wrest the right to Teach from me, or I will have Kha-bul-Nuit vomit
on your mind.
Thence does this Tribunal charge me and hold
me to debate and parley, and against every charge they bring I shall
either win through my proofs or eat the seven swords.
The
High Council shall be the rest of you unwashed masses,
representatives from the world’s five quarters. Here, I give you a
razored stone. The first is free.
And one last solemn oath—I
will bring the only eye-witnesses that matter, channeling their
voice-deeds by way of the Provisional House.
Expect Nerevar,
Dagoth-Ur, and my lover-liar Alandro Sul.
Zingbat: rude
talker, I have appointed my birds. Choke on them.
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Quote:
First Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of the murder of
Nerevar and usurpation of power by illegal, and most grave of all,
to be unetical and immoral. By this i mean one of these: without
the participation of the Morag Tong or the Dark Brotherhood,
without first establishing alliances with the major rulers. In
other words a cruel, savage murder, without any humanity or
honor.
No evidence can be found for
either defense or presecution. No solid evidence exists save for the
sources I have mentioned before, and the most reliable of those
indicate innocence.
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Second Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of retaining
and hiding a valuable and very powerful magic artifact called the
heart of lhorkan and use it for his own needs without first
consulting the Emperor and the official organizations for
regulating the use and discovery of new magical artifacs.
The Heart of Lorkhan is not
meant for use by mortals. Look at what happened to the Tribunal and
House Dagoth. Unbridled power was once given to Tiber in the form of
Numidium, and he used it to crush all opposition. What would have
happened had the Tribunal given the Empire not only Numidium, but
also the Heart of Lorkhan? With a fully powered Numidium, what
destruction would have ravaged the Mortal Plane. Azura herself
pleaded with Nerevar to prevent the creation of Numidium. Would you
suggest we ignore the harsh lessons Nerevar, Dumac, and the Dwemer
died learning? Men are weak, as are mer. The Tribunal may not be the
best keepers, but they have already been corrupted, and have proven
they will use their powers mainly for good, where as Tiber destroyed
Mournhold and other places to gain his dominion.
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Third Accusation:
I accuse the Tribunal has put in
danger the entire world of Nirn and created that abomination
Dagoth Uhr and the Corprus plage. Of not informing the Empire of
its consequences to full extent, so that the proper actions could
be taken by Imperial authority to correct the mistakes.
On this, I can hardly
disagree. In truth, they are guilty of this, for they did indeed
endanger all of Mundus with their behavior. But perhaps they still
feared what the Empire might use the Heart of Lorkhan for should
they gain access to it. And it may have already been too late to
bring in aid by the time the power of House Dagoth was fully
realized.
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Fourth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of falsely
claming to be Gods without the aprovation or intervention of the 8
divinities and their highest hierarchy of priests. I contest the
decision of the Emperor at that time and ask for it to be revised
because it was only possible by the use of dark magics against his
venerable person.
Unless you can convince Uriel
himself to revise the Armistice, this accustation has no founding in
legal grounds. And there is also a chance that the revisions might
very well lead to the secession of Morrowind, and your accusations
would be pointless as they now accused the highest power of a
foreign country.
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Fifth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal, with his
Godhood claims to conspire and try to weaken the power of the
emperor with inflamatory and anty-impireal messages inside the
sermons.
Perhaps. But Vivec himself has
claimed that he believes that the Dunmer will, in time, integrate
anyway, and he believes that best.
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Very well
then.
The unmixed conflict path has only deep strokes to
display, but better that I take from your own right hand the means
to win against you.
-------------------- Dean of The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
The Whirling School | Academy for Dwemer Studies | TES Lore FAQ
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LOL we all
posted at the same time. See my latest post. Now back to
roleplaying.
Vhek or Vivec i will not even demand for you to
prove your identity. I did what i was suposed to do and from
politician to politician i think we understand each other. No
need to pretend this is nothing more than the old game of politics.
I
dont care who you decide to take your defense and in what terms.
This will be a mob judgement, no more no less. So when the mob
finnaly mades the final veredict my task will be
done.
However Vhek, i ask of you, if you decide to bring fort
and confess other crimes to put a rest to your own consciense, do so
and be in peace. The ones who cover my tracks would be pleased with
that.
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Lord, you
never had a less willing persecutor. All who have called me Mother
before you are dead... the omens are ill. But very well.
Let
the sky bear witness that this child of the far north stands ready;
if I be found false, may the earth swallow me up.
I will
consider, and return.
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Master
Vehk,
My voice has been lifted up many times against you in
the past, but now I see my folly. You have gained a new level of
respect from me, and I will enjoy speaking further in this
proceeding. By Anu's aspect Stendarr, I pray the mercy and wisdom of
the Divine will bless this trial.
And as a response to you
Master Vehk, Anu will never change.
Girai Harkaanius
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Anu is the answer.
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the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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*Watches the
crowd through a viewing spell* Oh for the love of Akatosh! Will they
be trying my Telvanni peers next? "You stole three thousand years of
life!" Would they speak such words to Master Fyr? Would they dare?
Vehk allowing these outbursts proves his own weakness! Bloody drama
queens. *Returns to his Dwemer studies*
-------------------- "Once all the walls are torn down,
and the barriers broken, who will you be? Where will you stand? Will
you find yourself empty, having only defined yourself through
others? Or will you be your own person, and stand tall in your own
magnificence? That, my friends, is the difference between heaven and
hell; it is known as 'identity'." - Anonymous
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Quote:
First Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of the murder of
Nerevar and usurpation of power by illegal, and most grave of all,
to be unetical and immoral. By this i mean one of these: without
the participation of the Morag Tong or the Dark Brotherhood,
without first establishing alliances with the major rulers. In
other words a cruel, savage murder, without any humanity or
honor.
There is no hard evidence that
Vivec killed Nerevar. The only illegal thing for gaining power has
already been punished by the Azura.
Quote:
Second Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of
retaining and hiding a valuable and very powerful magic artifact
called the heart of lhorkan and use it for his own needs without
first consulting the Emperor and the official organizations for
regulating the use and discovery of new magical artifacs.
At the time of the heart's
discovery Morrowind were not under the rule of the Emperor. So they
didn't need to tell him.
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Third Accusation:
I accuse the Tribunal has put in
danger the entire world of Nirn and created that abomination
Dagoth Uhr and the Corprus plage. Of not informing the Empire of
its consequences to full extent, so that the proper actions could
be taken by Imperial authority to correct the
mistakes.
The is no evidence to suggest that
the Tribunal created Dagoth Ur. The only thing they could possible
be held accountable in that respect is for not destroying the heart,
which the Imperials wouldn't have done either.
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Fourth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal of falsely
claming to be Gods without the aprovation or intervention of the 8
divinities and their highest hierarchy of priests. I contest the
decision of the Emperor at that time and ask for it to be revised
because it was only possible by the use of dark magics against his
venerable person.
Armistice
Quote:
Fifth Accusation:
I acuse the Tribunal, with his
Godhood claims to conspire and try to weaken the power of the
emperor with inflamatory and anty-impireal messages inside the
sermons.
I'm with TSBasilisk on this one.
-------------------- Chris II- level 56 Breton Other
asorted characters
*In remember's of my Characters Chris and
Will who both died at the hands of the evil hard drive crash*
I'm on a quest to prove that at least one moderator is
really a Homicidal maniac. Any information on this subject is
welcome by PM.
adiuvo novus populus
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I'm sorry, but
this will be a discussion, rather than a trial, unless you all
follow the prescribed formula of calling witnesses to the stand and
all.
I.E. No posting unless the prosecutor or the defender
calls you to, and the judge accepts.
And Vehk, shut up until
called to stand.
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Gentlemen of
the court,
I believe this entire trial mainly comes down to
two things: the Tribunal's use of the Heart and their alleged murder
of Nerevar. First of all I will address their use of the
Heart.
Vehk has been stated as a participant in the use of
the Heart by many sources, all of them well known, so I will not
post them here. The use of the Heart has resulted in incredible
conflict in the past, from the Battle of Red Mountain, to the recent
Sixth House/Nerevarine incident, to even the conflict in this very
room. It has even resulted in the utter destruction of a race.
Vehk's guilt is undoubtable, though I do not believe it is in our
rights or power at this point to condemn him on this matter. Vivec
has shown guilt and contrition in this matter, but beyond that, I
believe this is a judgement that should be made by the Divine, not
by mortals that probably would have done the same thing in such a
case.
On the other hand, I have heard that there is no
evidence to prove Vehk's involvement in Nerevar's death. I believed
so as well. But today I have been studing more indepth the
statements of Vehk, and came across this:
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...that drives seekers of arcane knowledge to pledge their
scholarship to the Aetherius rather than dealing with the esoteric
teachings of my murder-brother SEHT...
Vehk, your murder-brother
SEHT? Did you mean something other than the obvious by this
statement? Has SEHT (Sotha Sil) murdered anyone other than allegedly
Nerevar? How did you know he murdered? This is not proof perhaps,
but it does raise questions. This excerpt from your Book of Hours is
startling. If you meant something else by this then tell me, for
this has led my thoughts back to Alandro Sul. Was he correct in his
statement?
A very startled Imperial
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Anu is the answer.
The second to see the Brass God was
the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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My apologies
Ajax, I will post no more.
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Cyrodiil citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
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second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them
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Nonsense. The
High Council cackles as it will, according to the laws of the
Trinimac-eater. The honored representative of House Haarkanius may
bark, bark, bark.
And Ajax, the first one is free.
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Many pardons
for interrupting the interlude, but I believe the Dunmeri trial Vehk
has laid out will be as much trial as discussion. I for one would
like to see as much of the debate, parley, stones, and verses as
possible. Vehk has refused a "standard" trial. Unless you intend to
hold this trial without the defendant and witnesses (again I would
like to see what they have to say) I would suggest you leave some
room open for the High Council (which pretty much everybody not
specifically mentioned) and Vehk's appointed judges. This, however,
will be a mess without some form of organization so perhaps to
address this issue a separate room/thread for the High Council
should be created. If I have read correctly, Vehk has offered the
first move to the unwashed masses. Again apologies for the
intrusion, I shall with draw until more sanity reigns. I am not one
to dance (much) in a castle made of sand whilst thunder comes and
goes.
-------------------- "There’s man all over for you,
blaming on his boots the faults of his feet." -Vladimir, in
Waiting for Godot
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Better.
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As lord of the
middle air I bless these proceedings to earth and earth, where the
meddlers take no stones except to blood, as blood IS blood, and to
the cracking of bone, as bone IS bone, and so to crack and answer
and fall before the one and one, I call you Dragon as brother and
king, flame-faced, turgid, accounted, crowned in hours, see this as
wanted and so to write, set letter, set in time, and I call you
Wife, sister and queen, hole and throne, wet, spending, moan'ed
before marriage, see this as wanted and so to wed, led-to-loved, set
in never, GO DOWN AE ALTADOON DEN, for trailed it is in slime we
make our babes and the walker heeds no mock of dirt, until you,
until you, there, I call you there, I call you Proud One,
brother-by-death, worker, admonisher of waiting ones, the takers of
wage without, beaten, unmoved, willed to rise by morning, see this
as wanted and so to build, bricked and mortared, set like walls, and
there so set as hearth, by whose heat I call you Rain, maiden
unmade, bled, untouched and so to red ever, unto the earth, as egg
IS egg, see this as wanted, and so to shower, red unruined, set in
wonder, BIRTH AE PADHOME, as I call you Wrapped In Rags as self and
self, as handheld summer, grinding wise, all our chieftains turned
to crops, RKHET the Taker now took, for this is wanted, set your
seven swords, sensible if left for dead, SEE NOW GHARTOK AE SALOMET,
so shall I call you Womb-Ridden, spoilt spiller, sister-whore, come
and come, match black swallow of these, the running monies, whose
vendors lay playing golden, star and city, all of one to your only
bed, because this is wanted, IS want, and so to swell them, set and
entered, SEHT AE DWEM, I call you Wounded as my war brother, speared
and thrown down, STENDR, rebuilt like mercy, lake-faced and lamp'd,
spoke in water, this is wanted, give it grace, set in stillborn
heavens, AE, I call you Lock-step, math athlete, theorem-teethed
biter, grand answer, stay skyward from your line, symbol-gutter,
this is wanted, set sequence, may you trace it for them with string,
grim engine JHNAL AE THE EARTH AM, through Eight I bless it EARTH AM
AS EARTH AM
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I have read
the words which the others here have spoken, and taken thought. I
have little knowledge of procedure, and I would not act against the
wishes of the other two members of this Tribunal, but it seems to me
I know enough to begin.
If there has been a breach of
Imperial law, this court is not the place to seek a remedy. Besides,
I see no evidence of such a breach. The Armistice is no concern of
ours; and many of these events occurred in a time when the land now
called Morrowind owed no allegiance to the Empire.
These are
matters of a higher law, which it may be even the gods cannot
escape.
For a crime to have occurred, there must be a victim.
I see three categories of victim, and so I propose to divide these
crimes into three heads: crimes against Nerevar; against the gods
and against Vivec's own soul; and crimes against the people of
Morrowind. I propose to take each in turn, although in some places
they overlap.
Vivec, you are accused, with the other two
members of the Tribunal, Sotha Sil and Almalexia, of the murder of
Indoril Nerevar, Hortator and your good and faithful lord. A murder
most foul, considering that he was also Almalexia's husband and
king.
About the murder this is said:
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Then Nerevar told his queen and generals all that had
transpired under Red Mountain and how the Dwemer had used special
tools to turn their people into immortals and of the wondrous
power of the Heart of Lorkhan. The Tribunal decided that the
Chimer should learn how to use this power so that Nerevar might
claim Resdayn and the world for their people. Nerevar did not
expect or want this, so he asked his queen and generals to help
him summon Azura yet again for her guidance. But the Tribunal had
become as greedy as Kagrenac upon hearing of the power of the
Heart and they coveted it. They made ritual as if to summon Azura
as Nerevar wanted but Almalexia used poisoned candles and Sotha
Sil used poisoned robes and Vivec used poisoned invocations.
Nerevar was murdered.
Afterwards, you broke your
solemn oath to him, never to use the tools of Kagrenac.
You
took to yourself Nerevar's wife and queen, Almalexia; in your
writings you blackened his name, making it appear that you were wise
and he foolish; and thus you poisoned the minds of your people
against his return, foretold by Azura.
Of these crimes I
accuse you; if anyone would say more, let them speak.
What
say you, Vehk?
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Mercy,
Pray let me put on my Water-Face. It won't
take a day.
And, yes, meanwhile, let them
speak.
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Mercy,
Pray let me put on my Water-Face. It won't take a day.
And, yes, meanwhile, let them speak.
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{off-topic}
Is disobeying the command of the Nerevar a crime? If so did
they willingly disobey a direct command by their King.
In
the Last Castle a General directly disobeyed his Commander and Chief
and was sentenced according to the UCMJ.
In situations like
this, only a Military Tribunal would be more accurate. It was a
crime that was committed while in the military service of their King
the Nerevar.
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The Punitive Articles under that situation would be
If being accused of using the Heart of Lorkhan for personal
benefit.
Article 103 Captured or
Abandoned Property - (claiming property from an
enemy and using it for benefit or advantage directly or indirectly
to himself or another).
If being accused of murder.
Article 118 Murder -
If being accused of Disobeying a Lawful Order.
Article 90 Assaulting or Willfully Disobeying Superior
Officer - (Nerevar)
Article 94 Mutiny or Sedition -
(with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority)
If being accused of hindering or falsifying information in
an attempt to avoid punishments then.
Article 78 Accessory After the Fact
- (Knowing that an offense punishable has been committed, receives,
comforts, or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his
apprehension, trial or punishments - The Triune had each others back
and would personally see to assist each other in not being punished)
Article 107 False
Statements -
If being accused of
misconduct.
Article 133 Conduct
unbecoming an officer and a gentleman -
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After much
soul-searching, I have decided that I was fooling myself and others.
These matters of Vehk ARE of concern to me. I seek to collect
Answers, and perhaps, someday, those Answers will make a story that
will be worthy of being placed in a Library.
I shall throw
Words first:
Using Sermon 29 as a guide, a message can be
retrieved from within the 36 Lessons. The message reads, "He
was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He
chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and
murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this." Grab ahold of
these Words as I throw them at your feet, Vehk. Please explain the
message contained within your Sermons.
-------------------- ~B
Assistant Librarian at The Imperial
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Vehk, Thief,
why do you drag me into your self-indulgent little drama? You know
very well what I have always accused you of, but I still come here
unwillingly, as I tire quickly of your bluster and misdirection, and
I doubt you will abide by any judgment by this "Tribunal" or any
other. Your boundless arrogance claims no peers for itself, no
matter what you might say sweetly now to soothe the mob.
That I come at all is in service of history and the truth,
two things that you undoubtedly know much of but share very little.
And I hate a mob, even one baying for your blood.
I suppose
I am intended as a prosecutor of sorts, but I decline that role (for
now). l will clear you of the destruction of the Dwemer, at least.
All accounts of Red Mountain agree that you were on the battlefield
when the Dwemer vanished, not in the Heart-Chamber where the crucial
deed was committed. By whom? Kagrenac? Nerevar? Dagoth Ur? It is not
even clear that any crime was committed -- perhaps the Dwemer
removed themselves to another world using the power of the Heart.
Perhaps they were destroyed, by their own arrogance ... or by
Nerevar. Why does he not stand here accused? Channel him, if you
will, Vehk! I would love to hear his words (from your mouth).
I may return, I may not. This spectacle only feeds your ego,
the center of events as always. You love to play the prophet, but I
remember (as few seem to) that your proper title is General.
Edited by Hasphat Antabolis (02/27/04
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Indeed Master
B. Other accounts of Nerevar's murder may be dismissed as being
Ashlander propoganda. Vehk's own words hold the weight of the whole
world, and I await his response with anticipation - as I'm sure
other's do.
Stri'Ker, Khajiit Scholar
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I am but a
humble scholar, and bear wintess to this strange development of
accusation and confrontation with no small fascination. Lord Vivec,
as ever is simultaneously blunt and elusive - and yet I cannot help
but wonder why it is he has made his presence known here,
legitimizing such politically arbitrary motions from Cyrodillic
quarters. It would seem the Imperials fan the flames of unrest
beneath Vivec’s paws, and not for the first time, but as ever, Vehk,
you are an enigma.
Though Dunmer I may be, I am an
outlander, born half a world away. My mother was a scholar and a
seamstress, and my father a pitiable skooma trader - and though I
lost myself in studies as a child, I often wondered, when confronted
by the sight of Altmer and Dunmer alike: What manner of deed had led
to the ashen skin and darkened eyes that I awoke behind each day. I
am not ashamed, nor should any Dunmer be, but I wonder, Lord Vivec,
I wonder…
There are no doubt countless like myself who
ponder the mystery of Sermon 29’s hidden message, it’s seeming
confession, but I would never have imagined until now that one would
find the courage or foolishness to address it to you directly; and
now that the deed is done, my hairs prickle like a rat’s in
anticipation. Some primal indignation swells in my belly that I
cannot name.
Members of a secret society that dwells beneath
your island of Vvardenfell have told me that the Nerevarine, in
conversation with them, had said that your words upon the question
of Nerevar’s murder all those centuries ago were definitively: “We
did not murder Nerevar.” And yet your own teachings say otherwise,
in words that only the truest of your believers and the greatest of
your enemies would find.
Though I am a student of your
teachings, and of Dunmer and thus Chimer blood, I am not of your
children, Vehk - I have neither right nor room to accuse you – but
countless peoples beneath your hand feel strongly now that they do.
So what does this particular Tribunal look like from the
Tower, O Vehk? From outside of time have you seen your people
completing the journey you begun for them that day on Red Mountain?
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So you ask, am
I courageous or foolish? To that I reply, I am both and neither. How
about friend or foe? Again, my words are both and neither.
Ultimately, I do not care whether Vehk committed any crimes or if he
is held accountable for any actions. I merely wish to document that
which has been hidden from our eyes. Perhaps Vehk had just cause, or
Nerevar deserved his fate. I am no judge!
Forgive me.
Perhaps my Altmer arrogance is showing through, but I assure you, I
am not your typical "High Elf." No, I care not for Order and Pockets
of Calm. My life is spent bathed in the glorious, ever-changing
Mundus. In this instance, I seek to change the status quo--certainly
not through thuggish killing and brutality. I leave that to the
simpleminded Brotherhood and Morag Tong. I want to shed light in
places that have not seen anything but darkness for years.
Again, forgive me. I do not wish to take the focus of this
discussion away from the Tribunal and Vehk. They are the
centerpieces, not me.
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As Vehk and
Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands.
Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.
Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.
And yet these two are the same being. And yet
are not, save for one red moment.
Know that with the
Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie.
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Well, Vehk. It
seems we must punish the mortal, then.
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Well, Vehk. It seems we must punish the mortal, then.
Alas, Love, you cannot:
From Sermon Thirty-Five: "...that virility is dead, by
which I mean at least replaced."
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It seems to me
that Vehk the God has other deeds to answer for; the betrayal of the
inheritance of Veloth and misdirection of the Chimeri Exodus.
When did Mephala grant his mantle to you false spirit and
St. Veloth pass to your care the walking way of the Chimer?
But these questions will likely not satisfy the mass that
desires less 'metaphysical' answers.
You are mortal now are
you not? Or do you still retain some hidden vestige of godhood?
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Vehk,
It would seem that you as a god has already
been punished, for he no longer exists. Vehk the mortal's only true
crime seems to have been the murder of Nerevar. Hence, with this
confession, it would seem a large part of the trial is over already.
The scholars will undoubtedly be content when more is revealed.
Nonetheless, the trial must proceed for we still do not know the
circumstances of the murder nor the punishment (if any). I do hope
our Tribunal will take your confession into account when they are
deciding your fate. You have taken responsibility for your actions
(in a more unique way), and for that I pray that the court be
merciful. What changes will this new revelation bring I
wonder?
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"...that virility is dead, by which I mean at least replaced."
Then what are you Master Vehk?
Your godhood is dead, as is your mortality appearently. How then do
you exist?
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But these questions will likely not satisfy the mass that
desires less 'metaphysical' answers.
You already know why I do not
seek such answers Nigedo, please refrain from condescending
statements.
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My comment was
not intended to be read that way, Girai, nor was it directed at you
exclusively. Rather, I am acknowledging the obvious truth that most
onlookers, whom Vehk has appointed High Council, will not be
satisfied with such arguments of blame.
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It seems to me that Vehk the God has other deeds to answer
for; the betrayal of the inheritance of Veloth and misdirection of
the Chimeri Exodus.
Proof before fiction,
little Nigedo. Play by the rules.
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You are mortal now are you not? Or do you still retain some
hidden vestige of godhood?
Perhaps...yes, perhaps I
am mortal. Now. Yes.
...perhaps I am. Deep stroke indeed.
Good.
But the mortal Vehk before this one is not the
one who stands here now, for I am Remnant. And innocent of the
charge you would bring onto the head of my former life.
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But the mortal Vehk before this one is not the one who stands
here now, for I am Remnant. And innocent of the charge you would
bring onto the head of my former life.
How so, dear Vehk?
You have
the same affections as before, memories of your former lives as god
and mortal.
Where now is the mortal spirit of General Vivec
if not restored before us?
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Vehk,
Your present mortal form may be indeed
innocent, but that does not change the situation. Your first mortal
form slew Nerevar in cold blood and stole the Heart. Your god form
was a result of the latter deed. This god form seems to have usurped
the quest of the Tower, but this is not my concern in the least. As
for what you are right now, you are indeed a Remnant. A Remnant of a
murderer. Your deed is far away and such pieces of you dwell very
little in you indeed, but you are yet Vehk. Vehk the mortal slew
Nerevar and became Vehk the god. Vehk the god in repentence for once
being Vehk the mortal became Vehk the mortal, seperate from Vehk the
first. And yet they are all still Vehk. Vehk in divine matters will
be delt with by the Divine. Vehk in mortal matters should be delt
with by the mortal.
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You should
continue on with the trial. I'm curious to find out if this Heart
corrupted Dagoth Ur, and all three Tribunals into insanity of power
and against their wills to commit evil acts or was it a willfull act
of sound mind to commit murder? Better yet, is Vehk the God
competent to stand trial based on what we know the heart has done to
the others? Would it be fair to dish out a punishment that is harsh
because there was no mortal will strong enough to resist the Hearts
corruption of mind and spirit? Is it not that some punishment be
given aswell though?
Though Vehk the God is whom he is now,
his past Vehk the Mortal did commit atrocities that did go
unpunished. The most foulest of sins did Vehk the Mortal commit upon
the Hortator and for what motivation? Vehk the God did throw himself
at the mercy of his self appointed Tribunal, yet Vehk the God would
not exist without Vehk the Mortal having done what he did or would
he? Is this like Vehk the Mortal being the child but now that Vehk
the God is the adult morally he now knows better? Or is it like Vehk
the God existed before Vehk the Mortal and then the mortal did
commit murder to steal Vehk the God into himself?
Was the
murder commited alone? How was he murdered and where? Was it planned
out? When did it take place? Was it in the middle of a great battle
when he was struck down in the back with poisons? What happened to
the Dwemer? Did they help plan in this murder? How did you know how
to use this Heart? Did you watch the Dwemers make a mistake and
figure out to do the opposite to become Vehk the God, yet the
Hortator denied you use of it, so then it was decided to murder him?
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Nigedo, we
agree again. What an odd fate.
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If i may
intrude upon the proceedings, it seems that you cannot charge the
Remnant of crimes of the past - the blood of those crimes are on
other hands.
Vehk the Remnant is not the same as Vehk the
mortal - that mortal self died as described in Sermon Sixteen, given
up so that Vehk the God could live.
What remains is the shell
of Vehk the God, bald and powerless, save only for the power of
speech.
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As usual, Vehk
would like to evade responsibility using metaphysical mumbo-jumbo.
He would like us to believe that his mortal self and his
(self-proclaimed) god self are two different beings entirely. The
mortal Remnant of a god is therefore not responsible for the doings
of his mortal precursor. To this I say, humbug! Vehk is Vehk is
Vehk. If you remember your former crimes, own up to them and be done
with it.
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Vehk, speak,
and answer Aquiantus.
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Indeed.
In the day that you wrest the glory of
your fore-image by the power of a dead god, I say you took upon
yourself but the skin of your enemy.
And paraded yourself in
these stolen clothes of godhood. Where was the death of Vivec in
this? Was Vehk-god not a mere vehicle of longevity for the
mortal?
I say also that the Council should be satisfied of
the means of the murder of Saint Nerevar - so we shall separate
accountability if it is needed to be separated.
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Vehk, what
Hasphat Antabolis and Nigedo say seems right to me as well, and here
is why: if Vehk were truly dead, then why linger among his own
people for so long?
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Mercy and
Mastery and Mystery. You cry for an Exactitude of the universe from
me when its very Chancellor broke its astrolabe in half when I was
born. You ghost-touch like the cousin-spirits that showed me the the
face of the marriage of broken worlds, but refuse to speak what you
see. You swear by the egg-layered universe but refuse to see beyond
the if-then of my ancestors, not my ancestors. You hammer against
the Cloven Duality as if it's one, then two, then one, all of a row.
And to this I tell you in Truth: Red Mountain made me exist before I
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Is this your
water face, Vehk? No riddles.
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Ha! Asking
Vehk to speak without riddles is like asking a snake to please stand
up and walk, just this once.
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Yes, Please do
Answer.
How was Nerevar "Murdered". Do you speak in body or
spirit. You speak with "black hands" so I will assume body for now.
As to when it had to be after the Nervar's confrontation with Dagoth
Ur unless you speak in the fractured time, being only a fragment of
time myself I am only concerned with the single path of this
fragment, I am aware of the others but they do not concern me. Yes,
you murdered Nerevar, but did you murder his body, his oath, or his
trust. I think all three are just and right accusations with the
former two bearing a much greater weight and in truth would mean you
murdered the people you love as well.
Then there is the
matter of Almalexia and Sotha Sil in their part of this "Murder". I
should say that they(the whole Tribunal) have as much responsibility
to answer the charges as one, You can speak as Vehk or as the
Tribunal of which you were a part and now are the only one
remaining. Of the mortal then god and then mortal means as little to
me as the fractured time or the time outside time, which all are the
same but not.
The Dragon has spoken, I am the mouth of the
Dragon. Time will speak all Truth in time.
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Or is it like Vehk the God existed before Vehk the Mortal and
then the mortal did commit murder to steal Vehk the God into
himself?
Is it very alike. And perhaps born of
golden wisdom and powers that should have been forever unalike.
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Then let us
delve deeper into the apparent mystery of your present mortality.
From whence does it proceed? Does it have no past, no ancestor, no
precedent?
Do you not walk Time's straight line with all
mortals?
Then see what lies behind you, or dare you not look
over your shoulder?
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Or is it like Vehk the God existed before Vehk the Mortal
and then the mortal did commit murder to steal Vehk the God into
himself?
Is it very alike. And perhaps born
of golden wisdom and powers that should have been forever unalike.
No. Way.
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Or is it like Vehk the God existed before Vehk the Mortal
and then the mortal did commit murder to steal Vehk the God into
himself?
Is it very alike. And perhaps born
of golden wisdom and powers that should have been forever unalike.
Vehk, you speak madness. You
simply will not confess your actions and accept their consequences.
You create stories to further deceive to suit your own ends. Oh no,
you have not changed from your previous nature. You are yet Vivec
the god in mind. You confess your guilt and yet will not allow
yourself to become mortal enough to accept mortal reward. All here
can see your deceit, do not use grand words to cover it.
Take
your medicine, Dear Vehk, and save yourself and all those present a
grand headache. Vehk murdered, Vehk confessed, Vehk will not take
responsibility, and Vehk will NEVER step down to his rightful level.
Let your arrogance show the truth of your words. Truth of void,
reeking of Padomay.
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We are
straying rather far from the topic, I think. Not without cause...
Surely these are matters which can be spoken of in plain
language. Tell us what happened.
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Then let us delve deeper into the apparent mystery of your
present mortality. From whence does it proceed? Does it have no
past, no ancestor, no precedent?Do you not walk Time's straight
line with all mortals?Then see what lies behind you, or dare you
not look over your shoulder?
I will leave it to others to find
where I have written all this before. But when Vehk the mortal
reached into the Heart, he ceased to be anything except for what he
wished to be. The axis erupted. There was an exact cracking, an
instant of pure Aurbis, his hands burnt black by that ever-nil of
static change, and Vivec the god who had never been had always been.
A whole universe swelled up to legitimize his throne... as the old
universe, where Vehk the mortal still lapped up Godsblood, warped
itself to accept its new equivalent. And like all things magical it
simply could not happen, could not Be. Red Mountain was the
intersection of the Is-Is Not as it was of old, its center point,
and it did not hold. And so the Dragon, having broken, saw fit to
heal, turning into the world you know. Except now Vivec the God was
alive before his own birth, which had, in fact, really happened in
the death of the last universe. Hard to grasp in three-dimensional
thought? Why, of course it is. And so that is why some semblance of
my anguished personal reconciliation found its way into my own
scripture. Why did I leave the Nerevarine two accounts of his death,
one that I could have easily erased from the minds of my own people?
Because he is Hortator, GHARTOK PADHOME AE ALTADOON DUNMERI, my lord
and king in this world and the last, and as Vehk and Vehk I murdered
him, then raised him, then taught to him to know, and so would I
have it when he came to me at last that he decide. I give you this
as Vivec.
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I believe that
I understand. Vehk saw the erasure of Self-NotSelf in that moment in
the Heart, and was as Mundus Oblivion and Beyond all as one. And
when the moment became another moment in the slowed perceptions of
mortal worlds, time had reformed around his shape as Vivec the god.
As a scholar and mage, I understand this, and cannot believe
(posturing of the ego or no) that the Vehk here today (mortal or no)
is the same being that claimed the title of General so long ago.
I do not believe he can be convicted any more than Tiber
Septim might still be convicted of the murder of Zurin Arctus. I
might even conjecture to say that Nerevar was of him as Zurin
was of Tiber, but I say so only from the conjecture of intuition.
If you would answer, Vehk, what of Sotha Sil, and Almalexia?
I know you to be the first among them to touch the Heart of Lorkhan,
I know it in my heart; but do you claim this murder by the once-born
Vehk's hand alone or did Nerevar die also at the hands of the
mortals who were stolen into Sotha Sil and Almalexia?
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Well, well.
This was very close upon the heels of the Battle I will
venture?
And did Mnemoli witness this Break, did Red
Mountain erupt from the strain?
This, then, was the cause of
Sun's Death I warrant.
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There was a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, something I have hinted at
before even now.
Vehk and Vivec did not do this as they did
many times. It was Broken before the Tribunal and Before Dagoth Ur,
though the Tribunal did Shatter it. Things became as they were and
as the Tribunal wanted them to be each to their own whim, but the
Dragon can not permit itself to remain so and so healed itself as it
could and as it did. There is more truth in words than has been
spoken or read even by the master of the the Tri-angled truth.
The wound was deep and the scar still remains but in time
even that will fade, such is the Dragon.
Now back to this
fragment before we all fade back to the one path and are lost to it.
For the One path is the only path, the rest are only dreams that
will have to return to the one.
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In order that
nothing may be lost, philt is appointed to record the minutes of
these proceedings...
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I fear that my
scholarly interest in these events has clouded my judgement.
I give way to Allerleirauh's excellent points below..
-------------------- Dean
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Very well. The
past changes itself to suit you. Very neat. But I see a flaw in your
account, Vehk; one you may not have noticed yourself.
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But when Vehk the mortal reached into the Heart, he ceased to
be anything except for what he wished to be.
The wish remains a part of
you. Your intentions are constant, from the mortal form, through the
form of the god, to the form of the remnant. My judgement is that
Vehk the mortal is indeed the same being as Vehk the god, and Vehk
the remnant. You became a god, as you have said, through your own
will, and that will you have not abandoned.
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Vivic be soul
locked in my own Ebon Scimitar; Which I use too slay his own Minion
with...As for Dagoth, Ly trapped burning in the Hellish Inferno he
worship's for eternity!..Almalexia is no more,& Sotha Sil &
Neravar's Sword is the Least of my
worries... Sincerly,Swiftrider...
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So, Mercy, a
Girl of White Glamour indeed. And a puzzlebox-logician at either
side. Well, then, I'll tell you now as I told you then: I am a
letter written in uncertainty and thus you cannot hold me. But you
seem certain that the wish fulfilled is the same as the wishmaker.
What says the Council?
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And yet Vehk
speaks here today? Wake up from your dream would-be Nerevarine.
Vehk you stand here, insisting that you are not the same as
you were, as if you are ashamed at what you have done. You admit to
have killed Nerevar to use the Heart and become a god. As a god you
saved more Dunmeri lives than Nerevar could have EVER hoped to in
his mortal life, you led the Dunmer into a relative golden age!
Throughout Chimeri/Dunmeri history they have been taken advantage of
by the so called 'gods' who were born into their positions, who
earned nothing.
Through all points of view the ends have
justified the means, if killing your General/King was a crime (I do
not believe it to be) you have made up for it. The many are served
by the interest of the individual. I do not understand why you hide
behind a mask of lost-identity. Why? What are you ashamed of? Sorry
for interrupting the court, but I do not understand why it is in
session. Vehk is guilty of murder, he is also responsible for the
thriving of a race, he is responsible for the very Empire that now
judges him. I never was good at ending my rants, so I'll just stop
here.
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down, and the barriers broken, who will you be? Where will you
stand? Will you find yourself empty, having only defined yourself
through others? Or will you be your own person, and stand tall in
your own magnificence? That, my friends, is the difference between
heaven and hell; it is known as 'identity'." - Anonymous
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You were and
are as you wanted to be, at least for a time. And as you did you
have done in this fragment. The here and now is IS. As I said before
the others do not concern me and should not be of concern, nor bear
merrit, they lay in the realm with the death dream and will
ultimately be absorbed by the one path.
I support and agree
with Allerleirauh in her finding. You are the product of your
actions and your desire. You may try to hide in and behind the
fractured time, but those who seek shelter in the mouth of the
Dragon should be warry of the consiquences.
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Vivic be soul locked in my own Ebon Scimitar; Which I use too
slay his own Minion with...As for Dagoth, Ly trapped burning in
the Hellish Inferno he worship's for eternity!..Almalexia is no
more,& Sotha Sil & Neravar's Sword is the Least of my
worries... Sincerly,Swiftrider...
Spectators,
You are
welcome to watch these proceedings, and even to bring up salient
points if you have them. However, please refrain from heckling the
accused, on pain of Writs of Silence.
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Quote:
Quote:
Vivic be soul locked in my own Ebon Scimitar; Which I use
too slay his own Minion with...As for Dagoth, Ly trapped burning
in the Hellish Inferno he worship's for eternity!..Almalexia is
no more,& Sotha Sil & Neravar's Sword is the Least of my
worries... Sincerly,Swiftrider...
Spectators,You are welcome to watch
these proceedings, and even to bring up salient points if you have
them. However, please refrain from heckling the accused, on pain
of Writs of Silence.
On pain of more than that, dear
tegger, if the magic hermaphrodite is given such straight lines as
these. But the first is free.
Pray, throw another, my
swift flirt. I am not so chained that I would not love to show you
what my soul would do if locked to your "Ebon Scimitar".
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Even though
Vehk speaks in riddles, do you not agree that the now Mortal Vehk is
not the same as the first Mortal Vehk? Once the Tribunal used the
tools on the Heart, Vehk can never forget, even now as a Mortal once
again. Does this make him the same as he once was? Surely it does
not. His memories of his time as a 'God' have forever changed him
into the mortal you see before you. His physical appearance is the
same, but his soul has forever been changed from what he once was.
Surely he has learnt from his past and will not perform the same
actions again, given the choice.
I believe that for this
action he has been punished. I also believe that a high price has
been paid - one which should not be added to
further.
-Stri'Ker
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Morrowind Don't click here! The views expressed in this
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What high
price would that be? He was born a mortal and he'll die a mortal. I
would hardly call living life as you were meant to live it a
punishment, much less one appropriate for murder.
There is
also, of course, the way he dealt with the ashlanders. Why didn't
you follow through with Nerevar's promise to allow them a place on
the grand council, Vehk? Why did you alienate them so much from the
other Dunmer?
And why did you kill Nerevar in the first
place? Perhaps it is time for all of these questions to be answered.
Or is it time to hear from Nerevar?
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Or is it time to hear from Nerevar?
I can see that this court will not
trust the words of Nerevar if they come from my own mouth, even if
channeled. I therefore claim my right and tradition as Son of
Mephala to open my twin gate, a source that none can deny. I motion
for the Tribunal to summon Azura to these proceedings, to speak on
the one, true Nerevar's behalf. What say you?
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cornered you show your true colors... I think you are stalling for
time. Can you bring Nerevar before us or not?
My sources tell
me that the summoning date for Azura is Hogithum, 21st First Seed,
three weeks distant. And that we would need a Dunmer priest. Dunmer
priests, I suppose, are in no short supply. But do you expect this
court to wait so long? I suspect that you will quietly slip away,
and we will never see Azura here...
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I swear on the
first and last she will come if summoned on her proper day, three
weeks hence, a loophole I have no control over. It surely is my
right as the accused, sweet Mercy, to ask for this. After all, what
have I to gain if I am guilty, save Azura's condemnation and
therefore no choice but to face this court in full shame and
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Yes, I suspect
Azura is no friend of yours.
I would hear the opinion of the
others of the Tribunal on this matter... shall we bind Vivec over on
the matter of the murder of Nerevar until he can bring his witness?
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I will publish
the first court report soonish in another thread, mebbe a little
later if we are to recess.
One question: If most here do not
trust Vehk, would they trust any Dunmer priest who channels Azura,
for surely they must be from the Tribunal Temple??
Phil
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If any soul at
all is fit to judge Vehk then surely it is Nerevar - with Azura as
his patron. Logic would dictate that the wisest course of action
would be in seeking their council on the matter. For whatever my
voice is worth on the matter I motion in favor of binding until the
witnesses may be called.
I know Nigedo to be a student of
Vehk's teachings, but I would trust him to find and judge a proper
priest for a summoning of such import. I have seen him to be a fine
mer, and would trust that he choose wisely despite his leanings in
the matter.
If the Council believes he cannot, then
certainly those present might allow Hasphat Antabolis to select a
proper candidate.
I feel some deep rumbling beneath the toes
of my feet at this motion...
--Louis D'Onus
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* the
librarian steps forward and speaks *
I have doubt that
Nerevar would show up; otherwise he has already done so during these
3000 years. No need that Nerevarine Prophecy or whatever
prophesies... Sorry, I have tired for all the prophecies. First
Nerevarine and then Bloodmoon…
I need to apologize first to
you Master Vehk, but I really have doubt of your power "now", after
the Nerevarine issue and Almalexia passing. There would be no divine
power left for you to muster. I recall Almalexia asked the
Nerevarine to start a dwemeri machine down in Bamz-Amscend just to
bring forth the Ash Storm, which in my belief should be easy for
her.
Or shall we bring also the bretony witchcraft here to
help summon the daedra prince. Ah… that would be the decision of the
council not me as merely a librarian and the collector. I have a
feeling that Sheogorath is coming too, ah or he has already here? I
can see his presence in the people gathered here.
Now I shall
withdraw to my previous standing place.
* the librarian steps
back and resume his standing in the previous place
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at The Imperial Library Member of The
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Has this
Tribunal turned into the church of Vivec ? Mercy is the corruption
of values, Mistery is the alienation of reality, and Mastery is the
end. Vhek has chosen his mob well.
Every one is equal when
looked through the eyes of justice. Justice is not a merchant square
where crimes are sanctioned with pretensious good deeds. And how can
a Tribunal of mortals decide about the godhood of another mortal if
they do not have the authority for that. Tell us vhek how would you
tell everyone how they would recognize you as a god ?
There
is a precedent that can bring light to this matter. In the warp of
the west the King of Worms as been successful where Vivecs Tribunal
failed. Compare these events to the events of red mountain and look
into the crimes of the Tribunal.
Vivec his no God neither
any other menber of the Tribunal. They have not changed enough so
that they can be above the law of man and mer. They used a powerfull
artifact, a key that opens the doors to the Gods some say, but to
the accounts of the common folks of Tamriel the Tribunal they just
put in danger the lives of many and released a dangerous plague.
Willingly or not they are to be punished for they greed for power
and knowledge.
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Where have the
common people of Tamriel stated that the Tribunal put their lives in
danger? How did the Tribunal ever let loose a dangerous plague?
The tribunal have their failings. In light of recent events
in morrowind, these failings have become startlingly apparent. But
the 'common' people didn't worship them for thousands of years
because they felt they were in danger. Vivec did many, many good and
beneficial things for his people, and by nearly all accounts was
heralded as a wonderous hero to be emulated by the common man.
Dagoth Ur released plagues, and that was no fault of the tribunals.
If anything, they constructed the ghostgate to contain these
plagues.
This tribunal of 'judges' is a good thing.
Comprised of some of the most knowledgable people in tamrielic lore
that live. I urge all members of this high council to be patient,
and hold your judgements until more of this trial has passed. There
is much more to come, methinks. Patience.
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Willingly or not they are to be punished for they greed for
power and knowledge.
Under which authority? The
Tribunal Vehk has appointed or the secret group that you represent?
You seem to imply that you are from the Imperial court trying to
have a trial over Vehk the Mortal. But if the Imperial group was
your ground then you would have not said that you represent a group
that wishes to remain anonymous, then speak as though you are from
the Imperial courts. If you were truely from the Imperial courts you
would have not spoken blasphemy that Tiber Septim was mentally
controlled by 'dark magics' and forced to sign the Treaty of the
Armistice.
Perhaps more then the mere presence of one of the
4 Houses of Troubles has been at work in this drama of Mortals and
weakened Gods who did or do insane acts.
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Whlie we wait
for the next witness........
Would anyone care to do the
timeline check for the Dragon Break(s). I think you will find it
very interesting. There are many unspoken questions to
find. 1E668-1E700 Red Mountain 1E1200-2208 The
Dragon Break Though seemingly unrelated to
this "Trial" it does set the tone for what the 'true crime' is.
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Perhaps I have
unlearned to much in my studies under the mystic sun, but I fail to
see how Nerevar or Azura speaking on his behalf could ever be
impartial and fair in their telling of the events of his
death.
Though I must say I would enjoy to hear her backwards
words, so I would urge the tribunal to allow this session to wait
until she can be brought before us.
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Azura? A
greater liar and corrupter than our good Vehk, for mortals are made
from the essence of both Padomay and Anu in their origin, whereas
Azura is made directly from Padomay, even though she be changed by
Anu. She may speak against Vehk's ramble as of late, but I would not
trust her to speak truthfully. Nonetheless, let her be summoned, but
keep a watch so that we are not led off on a fool's path such as the
Chimer/Dunmer were.
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil
citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
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the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually
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Perhaps I have unlearned to much in my studies under the
mystic sun, but I fail to see how Nerevar or Azura speaking on his
behalf could ever be impartial and fair in their telling of the
events of his death.
They wouldn't be impartial by
any stretch, which is exactly why hearing from them is important.
Their views (at least what I expect them to be) will be so opposite
to Vehk's and so biased against him that we will be able to see the
compromise of their arguement as the truth, or as close to the truth
as we can get when surrouned by such conflicting accounts.
But if you cannot channel Azura or Nerevar at this time,
wouldn't one of his firm supporters suffice? If you still can, I ask
you to let Alandro Sul speak from you until Nerevar or Azura are
available.
*goes and stands by the librarian awaiting a
reply*
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I would hear the opinion of the others of the Tribunal on this
matter... shall we bind Vivec over on the matter of the murder of
Nerevar until he can bring his witness?
I have retreated and considered
this matter and I will answer you in just a moment, friend
Allerleirauh.
However, there are stirrings here that must be
addressed for the sake of shame.
Vivec has freely and
pro-actively chosen to submit himself to a trial of accountability
by those that he has deemed his peers. I perceive this to be the
brave and honourable act of one who wrestles to be at last free of
condemnation both within and without.
I have had no love for
the Tribunal Temple nor for their blind stewardship of Morrowind's
gullible masses, but I take Vivec's former divinity as obvious fact.
I also do not doubt his sincere and earnest desire to allow
truth to prevail for redemption's sake; tempered, of course, by a
good and natural measure of the common mortal's desire for
self-vindication.
If this truth will condemn him or no, it
is in our hands, not Vehk's, and I intend to ensure that proper time
and well-ordered judgement alone will tell.
There is no
place here for pre-judgement nor dismissal of the obvious, only for
bold awareness of the true color of these proceedings. I urge this
sober mind in all here present and those that would not, I urge them
to withdraw.
It is folly to debate the value of Azura's
words, or any other's, before they have been spoken. Yet, I will say
this. Like all et'Ada, Azura dwells in the god place with respect to
Time and she is not contrained by the straight line of mortal
experience.
I agree that it is time that we heard other
voices. I say that we should now wait and keep patience in good
trust until we can hear from Azura.
If the Tribunal are in
agreement on this, then we have abundant time and means to make all
necessary arrangements ourselves, and nothing more need be required
from Vehk in the meantime.
What says Antabolis?
-------------------- Dean of The
Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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Azura? A greater liar and corrupter than our good Vehk, for
mortals are made from the essence of both Padomay and Anu in their
origin, whereas Azura is made directly from Padomay, even though
she be changed by Anu.
What have we here? Complete
irony! Anu can change Padomay? Stasis can change Change? Girai, your
words are confused. Azura is both Anu and Padomay. Padomay has no
essence, it is simply a force that comes and goes. Azura is made of
Anu, but Padomay changed her part of Anu. She is, perhaps, the
closest of the Daedra to the Aedra. If you doubt her because she is
made of Padomay, you doubt all of existence, because only Anu is
free of Padomay, and Anu is too large for us to comprehend.
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What's this?
He who holds the moon on his leash, on trial? How delicious. If you
seek a quicker resolution, seek out the psijics and enter their
stone-hole-stone. My lover-dead showed the way.
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I have
returned to bear witness to these strange proceedings, and I see a
great deal has transpired since I was last in attendance.
My
eyes do see the mentioning of the Dreaming Cavern. I must confess
that I was entertaining that idea myself, but I was unsure if any of
us would be able to enter. Any thoughts on how this task can be
accomplished? I would volunteer to go myself, but I do not know if I
am a worthy candidate. I fear if we cannot travel to Artaeum, then
we must wait for the Summoning date.
~B
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Assistant Librarian at The Imperial
Library
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What says Antabolis?
What, summon a Daedra to pardon the
Devil? Oh my, why not?
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Allerleirauh,
you have heard our thoughts, the decision now rests with you.
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Quote:
Quote:
What says Antabolis?
What, summon a Daedra to pardon the
Devil? Oh my, why not?
Vehk was right to choose you.
Your mind is so closed it opens the other way.
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I have had no love for the Tribunal Temple nor for their
blind stewardship of Morrowind's gullible masses, but I take
Vivec's former divinity as obvious fact.
Was that scholor or fool? For
only a fool would stand halfway up the ladder and shout insults at
those that had just started the climb.
Should we also mock
the Sload? Or for that matter the Cyrodiil?
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I'm sorry to
interrupt these proceedings, but I just wanted an attempt to clarify
what happened, at least to Vehk (and I assume the other Tribunes,
and probably Dagoth Ur and Nerevar as well) at Red Mountain. There
was the now-dead Universe A, where the Tribunes were 'just' mortal
Dunmer generals. They murdered Nerevar and then tapped the Heart.
Wanting godhood, the Heart gave it to them, but maybe things in
Tamriel aren't so easy as that. In fact, the Heart shook up the
whole Aurbis to grant that wish, creating Universe B, where ALMSIVI
had always been gods. And in which the murder of Nerevar did not
happen, and Dunmeri history went more or less as presented in the
Sermons (!). The Red Mountain incident was the intersection of these
two disparate universes. And so something had to give. I envision
something like the Dragon "re-raveling" itself in accordance with
the divine, like the Dawn right after the gods left Tamriel. If what
Vehk says is true, then, the murder of Nerevar only really happened
in an alternate and now dead universe. And while that certainly fits
with the tricky, trippy Tamriel mythology and its resident Thief
spirit...I wonder what it says about Nerevar, the only documented
case of mortal reincarnation? Dead, immortal, dead, immortal...is
this Universe A trying to reassert itself through the victim of its
negation?
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Was that scholor or fool? For only a fool would stand halfway
up the ladder and shout insults at those that had just started the
climb.
Nazz, I am certain you
misunderstand. And it is my fault for being imprecise. It is the
heavyhanded corruption of the Tribunal Temple, witnessed in the
Ordinators, and their apparent desire to keep the masses in
scholarly ignorance for the sake of obedience that I dislike. Yet,
unlike the Dissident Priests, they seem to have had precious little
understanding to distinguish them from the common folk they claim to
shephard.
However, I merely wished to make clear that I, a
Dunmeri scholar, have never considered myself a member of Vivec's
religious faithful. My interest has always been in Vehk's value as a
teacher of knowledge and philosophy than in his value as a deity or
political figure. Nevertheless, I do not question that he *was* a
god.
However, if I have hurt the feelings of more religious
Dunmer then I am sorry and I do hope that this will not cause us to
digress further.
-------------------- Dean of The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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Very
well.
Then I await for the continuation of the proceedings.
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Azura is made of Anu, but Padomay changed her part of Anu. She
is, perhaps, the closest of the Daedra to the Aedra. If you doubt
her because she is made of Padomay, you doubt all of existence,
because only Anu is free of Padomay, and Anu is too large for us
to comprehend.
Basilisk, you are wrong:
Quote:
The blood of Padomay became the Daedra. The blood of Anu
became the stars. The mingled blood of both became the Aedra
(hence their capacity for good and evil, and their greater
affinity for earthly affairs than the Daedra, who have no
connection to Creation).
(The Annotated Anuad) If you have argument, take it
up with the author (MK). Though, you are right on one thing. Anu is
too large for us to comprehend. That's the glory of it.
As
for our good Ayem, this should be interesting, one who truly as a
god tried to murder Nerevar. We agree again Nigedo, what a merry
dance.
Girai Harkaanius
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Girai, I do
not believe any book in Morrowind to be a complete account of what
transpired at the moment of creation. In the Annotated Anuad, Anu
and Padomay are not forces, but actual beings, and this is a
misinterpretation in my opinion. Anu is an existence that is all of
reality, but has no meaning because it can not be aware. Padomay is
every force that brings awareness to Anu by disrupting its
immobility. The book is a biased account by imperfect
beings.
Padomay, by itself, has no form; only Anu has an
actual body. Thus to say that Azura is simply made of Padomay is to
say that Azura is nothing but energy, but if that were so, she would
dissipate into nothingness without some means to hold herself
together. Azura has Anu within her, but has also Padomay.
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As we seem
settled, then, we should pick our priest. And, as I do not think
Azura shall stay long in the same room with me, I would form your
questions beforehand. Perhaps a ribcage's worth, and no more.
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A good point,
Vehk. Planned questions are far more appropriate than those thought
of in the heat of the moment.
Was Nerevar indeed slain by the
Tribunal, and if so, how was Vehk involved? This questions
should be asked for verification.
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I have two
questions:
Is the Vehk we see before us - stripped of his
stolen Godhood - the same being that existed before he used the
Heart?
And
What happened to the Dwemer? (someone had
to ask!
)
-Stri'Ker
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Although I too
yearn to hear what Azura has to say concerning the disappearance of
the Dwemer, the questions pertaining to the trial take precedence
over that subject.
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I know, and
I'm also 99.99% sure that it wouldn't have been answered even if the
trial wasn't happening.
I just had to ask...
-Striker
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"In your
esteem, have the Tribunal paid for their crimes or the crimes of
their mortal forebears? If not, with the Chimer of Resdayn
transformed into the Dunmer of Morrowind, Sotha Sil slain at the
hands of Almalexia, and Almalexia slain at the hands of the
now-missing Nerevarine, what manner of penance could remain for Vehk
with his divinity now shorn?"
I believe this is a question
we must ask Azura, Nerevar, Vehk himself and ourselves before this
Council might come to a resolution, but I do not wish to speak out
of turn.
Additionally, I voice my support for the questions
of Stri'Ker and the one known as Basilisk. Vehk's advice for a
concise amount of questioning seems wise. We've likely room for ten
to twelve questions, for twelve pairs of ribs in man or mer - one
rib for a question, one for an answer.
I believe it
appropriate that Nigedo and Allerleirauh should hold responsibility
for the final collation of questioning and the selection of a Dunmer
priest. What say the Council members?
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Before associating Anu with
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likewise. Because Anu "Is", it's very presence gives it the ability
to change that which is around it.
As for a question, I'll
think of one tomorrow when I'm not so
exhausted.
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Very well,
since it appears that we are going to wait until the 21st of First
Seed, I withdraw my offer to travel to the Summerset Isle in an
attempt to broker a deal with the Psijics. I guess we will have to
wait some twenty days for further information on these
matters--unless we can come up with other questions that can be
addressed in the meantime.
Vehk would like a priest to be
chosen for the Day of Summoning. Anyone know of a worthy
participant?
Oh yes, one last thing. I see that Allerleirauh
has selected phil_t to record the minutes. I know that we at the
Library will be interested not only in viewing those minutes but
also keeping a copy on our shelves for others to see.
Now,
if you will excuse me, I have other matters to attend to. I thank
you for your time.
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If I may put
forward a question of my own to the dread lord Azura:
Should
I be found guilty of past transgressions in a world that no longer
lives, how might I find my absolution?
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That would
also beg the question of what sort of punishment would even be
fitting for his "crimes."
But we are getting ahead of
ourselves, I suppose.
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Here's my
question:
Why have you taken such offence to Vehk's
actions if he as a god has done so much to benefit the people you
"love"?
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Though I am
sort of re-iterating(sp) what Girai has asked:
The Tribunal
'stole' godhood to help the Chimer people. Here you plot to steal
worship from the Tribunal, to steal the Dunmer's hearts as you and
Boethia did before, so many thousands of years ago.
"How are
you any different than Vehk, if not more deceitful and selfish?"
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and the barriers broken, who will you be? Where will you stand? Will
you find yourself empty, having only defined yourself through
others? Or will you be your own person, and stand tall in your own
magnificence? That, my friends, is the difference between heaven and
hell; it is known as 'identity'." - Anonymous
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A priest of
Azura for Vhek. You will find no priest of Azura here where im
standing but a witch will do. However i would take this answer with
a grain of salt.
The Witch says: Azura dislikes Vivec as much
as she dislikes the Tribunal and the heretics Dwemer. Both are one
of the same and pay only tribute to themselfs. Vehk will only find
absolution when the world that was lost for him will find him
again.
Nonsense. Vhek will find absolution on a Cyridill
court and only the Emperor can grant it for him. It would be a token
of good will if Vhek would reveal the location of hearth and enchant
a magic tome with the divine spells necessary to control the hearth,
so that it can be locked forever in the vaults of the Imperial
Library and away from mortal
hands.
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B, i shall of
course be glad to present a copy of the minutes to the Imperial
Library and any other organisation that wishes to display them,
indeed i could hardly withhold them, as they are a matter of public
record.
I
will start to compile the minutes soon, this will doubtless involve
contacting most of the parties involved to clarify points and avoid
misrepresenting people - so please dont be surprised to find a
letter or two waiting when next you reach the shores of fair
Tamriel. I
hope i can rely on your co-operation in this matter.
Phil
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Where will can
you find one to summon Mother Morrowind? Perhaps her daughter-mother
would suffice. One who can bind the earth and touch oblivion,
reaching unto it's utter depths. I know of such a one.
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B, i shall of course be glad to present a copy of the minutes
to the Imperial Library and any other organisation that wishes to
display them, indeed i could hardly withhold them, as they are a
matter of public record.
Once again, I thank you for your
efforts, phil_t.
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One who can bind the earth and touch oblivion, reaching unto
it's utter depths. I know of such a one.
Do I want to know...?
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Anu is the answer.
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Nonsense. Vhek will find absolution on a Cyridill court and
only the Emperor can grant it for him. It would be a token of good
will if Vhek would reveal the location of hearth and enchant a
magic tome with the divine spells necessary to control the hearth,
so that it can be locked forever in the vaults of the Imperial
Library and away from mortal hands.
zingbat: Have you learnt
nothing? Do you think we will stand by and let the Emperor take the
Heart and know the process of using the tools? Your love for the
dying Emperor has coulded your judgement, and you are blind. Are we
not here today because of the act you wish to replicate? The Emperor
is the last person that can be trusted with this temptation. I will
not let history repeat itself.
-Stri'Ker
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Where will can you find one to summon Mother Morrowind?
Perhaps her daughter-mother would suffice. One who can bind the
earth and touch oblivion, reaching unto it's utter depths. I know
of such a one.
Rude spirit, animal picture,
name shade... I cast you out. Liar. The symbol you have stolen is
one third the reason I am here. Do not malign the memory of one I
would atone for besides myself.
False promoter, base mimic,
ownshook... I cast you out. Liar.
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Ah, yes, a
mortal's witch-hunt. It has been quite some time since petty souls
have lured my curiosity into such a petty (or is it?!) event. A
riddled tongue versus the weak? Please do consider me a worthy
accountant of this affair.
By all means, please do continue
on with your bandwagon folly. Mind not the shadowy figure amidst
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(Do others
hear a voice from beyond the grave? I am troubled by it... often
lying spirits thus speak in the voices of the dead.)
Noble B,
I confess I had not thought of the Dreaming Cave. But if my memory
serves, Sotha Sil did not escape unscathed from his encounter there.
I would not freight your soul in such a way while another
alternative lies open to us. And perhaps we shall have better
answers from Azura here than in her own realm.
Earlier I
suggested three categories of crimes: against Nerevar, against the
gods, and against the people of Morrowind. It seems to me that Azura
may well shed light on the first two. And that surely this court has
enough authority to decide the matter of the third without
supernatural help.
So: many have spoken of the murder of
Nerevar. This seems to me the least of Vivec's many crimes. Shall we
speak also of broken oaths, and oaths sworn falsely? Of stolen
divinity, and worship diverted?
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So: many have spoken of the murder of Nerevar. This
seems to me the least of Vivec's many crimes. Shall we speak also
of broken oaths, and oaths sworn falsely? Of stolen divinity, and
worship diverted?
If you do this, I beg the
court that I might call a soul to my defense.
Governing my
sweet Vvardenfell, for me, displayed itself mainly as
fashion-orgies, insect wrestling, and chocolate parades.
I
would have someone who knew the more pedestrian aspects of my
supervisory benevolence to represent me here.
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Well, Vehk,
who would you call? The business of this court is speech, not
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Well, Vehk, who would you call? The business of this court is
speech, not silence.
Oh, I doubt you will have
to worry there, little snowskin, I think he is the most talkative
Corner I know. And fortunately more ready to attend than Azura, for
he heeds dates seldom.
Mercy, you've shown me little. And so
it is with no little irony that I call SHEOGORATH to defend me on
the matters of my state!
Bitter spear of mercy, meet your
mirror.
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Hold. Before
you bring out the Mad God to plea your case, I would have assurance
of the safety of the minds of mortals present here.
What
constraints will Sheogorath be under?
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Now THAT is an
interesting proposal. It is quite easy to summon Sheogorath, as most
people know. In fact, it is often hard to NOT summon that Prince of
Madness. Still, the thought of taking him as a witness is unnerving
for the fact of what he is. If Vehk is the Prince of Riddles, then
Sheogorath is Emperor of Obscurity. Should the court accept
Sheogorath as a witness, we should be prepared for information that
is most likely relevant to the subject at hand, but at the same time
so contorted in language it is hardly comprehensible. Not to mention
he may offer somebody Wabbajack, and then that's all we'd hear.
Wabbajack, Wabbajack, Wabbajack.
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Hello. I was
having drinks with my two best friends, Bad Bad Bad Bad Blad and
myself, when I received the subpoena. I came as quickly as I could,
though in a non-linear fashion, so you will have to forgive my lack
of lines.
From a legal point-of-view, lawsuits against
deities aren’t actually very uncommon, though many choose to settle
out of court or simply pay the fine, which is seldom more than five
gold. I once had a bout of self-doubt, was judged guilty of heresy,
and had to choose between death by stoning or by inhalation next to
an orc. I chose the baked chicken.
At first I thought I was
being summoned as a character witness, and I can assure you I’ve
seen lower-cases, or to give my expert testimony of the fascinating
psychological aspects of this trial. It’s something I’ve given a lot
of serious thought to. To quote dear Almalexia, “People think I’m
crazy just because of all the weird things I say while fondling
wombats.”
But while I’m not quite mad enough to be a judge, I
think I’m well-qualified to be a barrister for the defense. Now,
remind me: which is better, guilty or not guilty?
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Apparently my
request to delay your summoning came too late to be heeded. Well, I
presume Vehk has a motive for calling you.
Let Vehk question
you.
-------------------- Dean of The
Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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Noble B, I confess I had not thought of the Dreaming Cave. But
if my memory serves, Sotha Sil did not escape unscathed from his
encounter there. I would not freight your soul in such a way while
another alternative lies open to us. And perhaps we shall have
better answers from Azura here than in her own realm.
My dear Allerleirauh, your voice
is a voice of reason. I am not always one for such logical choices.
The good of the many oft-times outweighs the good of the one.
But thankfully, you and I have come to the same conclusion
on this particular matter. I must confess, though, I had entertained
the idea of venturing out on my own to seek the Cavern in the West.
Then, deafening visions filled my head: What-If’s and Could-Be’s
were appearing when I closed my eyes. I came to the conclusion that
I stood little chance of entering Oblivion and escaping with my
life. Any information that could be gleaned from the Princes is of
little use when placed in dead hands. After some thought, I decided
that I might serve a better purpose by staying here. That, however,
remains to be seen.
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Mercy, you've shown me little. And so it is with no little
irony that I call SHEOGORATH to defend me on the matters of my
state!
Vehk, you are beyond insane.
What do you hope to gain by summoning such a witness? Even if
Sheogorath had reason to tell the truth, it would come out as a load
of incoherent jibberish. Unless if you seek to drive your
prosecutors mad, I see no reason for this new action.
By the
way, what cause does the God of Worms have to attend this merry
assemblage? We will not have any more trouble caused here then
already done.
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil
citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
The second to see
the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually
as Zurin Arctus and Talos. - Xal, a Human Maruhkati
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I object! You
subject!
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I object! You subject!
See what I mean?
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Anu is the answer.
The second to see the Brass God was
the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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Oh,
Sheogorath, how good of you to join us. It has been a long time, Mad
One. I remember those glorious days when you tried to dissuade me in
my research. Or perhaps you were merely trying to help me. I am
never too sure.
No matter. It is great to see you. For, how
better to know our sanity than by staring Madness in the face.
Do continue.
-------------------- ~B
Assistant Librarian at The Imperial
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You call it
nonsense, and you’re right – there is no sense that can touch
madness. Therefore madness is not physical. And therefore, madness
is immaterial.
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Ah, beloved
enemy, "symbol affixed on things unborn, seen from the mercy seat
without love to run or rename," it seems I am to question you.
Strange. Perhaps the Tribunal fears your eight-legged
visage.
So: the governance of Morrowind during my tenure: did
you like or dislike?
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So: the governance of Morrowind during my tenure: did you like
or dislike?
Would you rephrase that as
“So: the governance of Morrowind during my tenure: did you dislike
or like?”
Regardless, I liked my displeasure in
it.
I’d like to object to what I just said! Witness is
leading the witless!
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A popular book
in Morrowind compares me to my Anticipation, Mephala, thusly:
"[The] explicit presentation of Vivec the Guardian God-King
and Warrior-Poet is the one most accessible and familiar to
Westerners. However, it is important to remember that Vivec is also
known to the Dunmer as the transcendent evolution of the daedra that
anticipated him, Black Hands Mephala, a foundation figure of the
earliest Chimer. This darker side of Vivec does not appear in the
popular literature and liturgy, but is instinctively understood and
accepted by the Dunmer as an integral part of Vivec's divine
aspect."
As part of the fraternity that you share with my
fore-self Mephala, would you or would you not say that my
replacement of Hir (in Veloth, at least) was hardly noticed by the
common people?
Moreso, wouldn't you say that I did not
replace Mephala so much as become Hir living celebrant?
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By the way, what cause does the God of Worms have to attend
this merry assemblage? We will not have any more trouble caused
here then already done.
I assure you, my attendance is
hardly a summoning. A Dark Raven fed unto me the tidings of a grand
accusation in The East. Upon hearing detail of this most exciting
event, I decided that my absence would be quite a personal regret. I
would just as soon witness the lame spawn of dragons mate than miss
this.
Now please, continue. I sense much disorder in this
trial of ego versus jealousy.
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avoid confusion, may I take the first part of the last question
last?
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As part of the fraternity that you share with my fore-self
Mephala, would you or would you not say that my replacement of Hir
(in Veloth, at least) was hardly noticed by the common
people?
Hir? You mean, Hircine? We
don’t call Him Hir Here, Ha. In fact, we never call Hircine at all,
because he’s naked and smells quite a lot, and he never takes off
his antlers in the presence of ladies. Now, Mephala is a different
kettle of cheese. I’ve never spoken to a common person – they are
far too rare – but I understand that many of them prefer you to
Mephala, and being devoured by slaughterfish to both of
you.
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Moreso, wouldn't you say that I did not replace Mephala so
much as become her living celebrant?
Absolutely, I would say that,
but only because I don’t know what that means. Could you clarify
your position, so I can confuse you?
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Moreso, wouldn't you say that I did not replace Mephala so
much as become her living celebrant?
Absolutely, I would say that.
Very good. I would
rest my case on the matter of worship diverted. What says the
Council?
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* the
librarian murmurs to himself, "I have sensed him for so long,
finally the mad god shows up. Is he the real mad god or just an
entity that use the infamous name of mad god? I have yet to see the
proceeding. " *
-------------------- ~Xayah Ayem Neht
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I sense much disorder in this trial of ego versus jealousy.
As you go up, so do I come
down. I welcome thee, Mannimarco, to this jury of dreams. I foresee
you may have the last word here, after Azura comes with her
moon-slain reprieve.
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I have a
further question for Madness.
Sheogorath, in becoming gods
of the Chimer, did Vivec and the other Tribunes take upon themselves
the spiritual welfare of the Chimer, thereby removing the Chimer
from the divine stewardship of Mephala, Azura and Boethiah?
-------------------- Dean of The
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Vehk, you may
recognise Mannimarco, but most here do not. We are not so familiar
with these notables as you and so it would be easy for us to slide
into confusion with regard to their identities.
As appointed
Tribune, I therefore call for one who can identify such notable
observers and witnesses as may be unknown amongst us, to announce
the legitimate presence of such individuals, that they are indeed
who they claim to be.
Is there any present who can and will
perform this duty?
-------------------- Dean of The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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...Wabbajack,
Wabbajack, Wabbajack, Wabbajack...
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Is there any present who can and will perform this duty?
I will, only for the sake of
the preceeding, recognise these beings as such, Mannimarco, and the
One, Sheogorath. They are, unmistakingly, who they say they
are.
I do sense a strange representation with their presence
at this assembly. It is not likely that the King of Worms would
dwell among mortals without some sort of trickery in his shadow.
My OLD friend, Vehk, of the late ALMSIVI, what scheme have
you devised to draw forth such a stagnant crowd? You can not hide
your intensions behind that wicked smile you wear forever.
-------------------- Divayth Fyr the Psijic
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They're really
crawling out of the woodwork for this one! I don't believe I've seen
so many notables gathered in one place since the old gods gathered
at the Old Tower.
I still believe this entire procedure to
be folly, but it is, nevertheless, most fascinating. They say that
you should learn from your mistakes and that if you can, it's best
to learn from others' mistakes. And I have learned quite a bit from
zingbat's error. I look forward to hearing more from the upcoming
witnesses.
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Thank you for
your assistance Lord Fyr.
I will now hope that Sheogorath
will honour me with an answer to my question.
-------------------- Dean of The
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Thank you for your assistance Lord Fyr.I will now hope that
Sheogorath will honour me with an answer to my question.
Master, I sense that the Mad One has
left for the moment. It may have had something to do with the
presence of Lord Fyr, who is one of the few adepts I know that can
send the jackanape-god into tears. May I suggest that your question
be answered by none other than your fellow Tribune, Hasphat
Antabolis, on the morrow? If any here could speak with authority
about my stewardship of the people of Vvardenfell, I admit that it
is the Hlaalu bedhandler asleep at your side...
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Thank you
Vehk, but my question was directed to one who is an et'Ada and whose
view of mortal experience is objective, if skewed.
If
Sheogorath does not return, then my question will keep for Azura.
-------------------- Dean of The
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It sseems that
my presencce hass been noted, for I have alsso been called to sstep
from the sshadowss and confirm the identityiess of thesse noted
individualss.
Let me sstate for the recordss that
Sheogorath, Daedra Lord of Madness is present, ass iss Mannimarco:
God Of Worms, Vehk ass we know him, and Divayth Fyr.
I will
sstand closse and confirm thesse individualssss as they arrive.
Ar-chee(opt-erix), Argonian of unknown origin
-------------------- Cthulhu for President. Why vote for
a lesser evil? Morrowind
Avatars Chatroom!
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Thank you
Archeopterix, I am certain that Lord Fyr will not allow himself to
be distracted from his researches for long and I am grateful that
you have offered to remain and identify any further notables.
-------------------- Dean of The
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Allerleirauh,
Have you agreed to the skilled summoner that was privately
proposed earlier for the summoning of Azura?
I know that
Antabolis is in support.
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Yes,
Nigedo.
Ainoryl informs me he is familiar with the summoning
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*Steps out
from the mob*
This is correct, I am familiar with the
invocation of the Mother Soul.
In this act I will require
four gifts, worthy of Azura:
-The artifact Azura’s Star. It
rests in Vvardenfell.
-The antlers of the beast King Dead
Wolf-Deer. The beast was last seen in High Rock.
-A single
ringlet from the Wraithmail of Alandro-Sul, son of Azura. It may be
found in Vvardenfell.
-The last gift to the Goddess of Dusk
and Dawn may be found here. A shadow stripped, willingly and
permanently, from one who watches this trial.
Any who would
aid in the gathering of these items, step forward. Please pardon my
interruption of the proceedings. You have twenty days.
-------------------- Ainoryl
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Wabbajack,
Wabbajack, Wabba...
Wait, that's going to get old really
quick. I..Must...STOP....THE.....MADNESS!!!
Okay, I volunteer
to aid in the retrieval of the ringlet of the Wraithmail. I am a
researcher, and will spend my time in studying the records to
determine the location of Sul's tomb from a half and three millenia
past.
-------------------- Member of the Forum Scholars
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Ainoryl, is
it? A fine choice, if a bit babe-before-wolves. And I see this is
his first True summoning, as he's taking the wisest of precautions.
Smart boy. Let it be known, then, that he is blessed, and that no
man or mer may hinder him on pain of Mark.
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Oh my. It
seems I am in high company. Lord Mannimarco, if you can hear me, may
I say it is an honor to be in your… presence, as it were. I have
numerous acquaintances who shall nearly die with envy at the mention
that I have attended Council under your view. Your mortal work is
most influential - if unorthodox. I appear to have missed Lord Fyr
and the old Skooma Cat this time around, but I shall make the most
of our next meeting, whenever it may be.
Master Ainoryl, a
heavy thanks on behalf of this Council for your services as an
impartial priest. I am sure you may be trusted with the burden of
discretion that these proceedings necessitate. Now, the matter of
obtaining the necessary summoning materials within twenty days...
Azura’s Star – Some more illuminated companions of mine
(Great Librarian Xanathar knows of whom I speak, though I would beg
of him to let them remain anonymous) recently let slip that the
Nerevarine had hold of Azura’s Star while in their company, and was
heading toward the Nordic island of Solstheim with it in possession,
shortly before all that business with the moons turning red those
months back. Whether it was left somewhere on Vvardenfell for
safe-keeping or was left on Solstheim since our dear Nerevarine went
incognito is a mystery. I would recommend someone from the Council
be dispatched to the island of Solstheim to speak w/ the Nordic
peoples there. The former leaders of various factions here on
Vvardenfell should also likely be consulted. Hm. Archmage Trebonius
and Lord Venim of Redoran were recently deceased, weren’t they? Is
Percius Mercius still about? Hasphat Antabolis might have heard of
something. I shall ask him…
I have no ideas whatsoever
regarding the whereabouts of the Antlers or the ringlet of
Wraithmail.
As for the stripping of a shadow, I have given
it a great deal of thought, and am willing to volunteer mine for the
process. This is no small sacrifice for an outlander, I know – and
the potential consequences of being faced with all manner of wraiths
or some bloody evil incarnation of my own shadow at some future time
as a result are palpable, believe me – but the unknown waits to be
pierced for only so long – and it is not often that one is called
upon to give a gift to a god on behalf of the guilt or innocence of
another. I ask only that I be allowed my final days with my shadow
in peace until the 20th of First Seed, so I might make the
necessary… spiritual preparations.
If one more worthy or
more zealous than myself should step forward, then by all means I
shall accede. But I am an observer and an active participant in this
Trial and have made my decision known.
In the meantime, the
questions to be posed to both Azura and Lord Vehk’s unusual defense
should be further explored and refined, I think.
--Louis
D'Onus Breton-Born Dunmer of Dubious Distinction
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I give thanks
to you, Louis D'Onus, for the information you bring to light. Any
who would aid in the recovery of Azura's star, might make best of
their time in the direction of Solstheim, tracing the footsteps of
the Nerevarine.
Let it also be noted that Louis D'Onus has
offered his shadow willingly in the invocation of Azura. Brave, and
noble I say. Fear not for your peace, it will remain unbroken until
the twentieth.
-------------------- Ainoryl
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This Hall is
becoming crowded, so we will soon require a change of venue in order
to maintain the good health of all participants. As a Herald and
Bailiff of the court, it is my duty and my honor to let you all know
that we have reserved a Hall to prepare for the upcoming summoning
of Azura on Hogithum. Please take your questions for Azura and other
materials for this event to the Hogithum Preparations Hall.
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(addendum):
My apologies for not clearly indicating what I
meant. I hadn't intended for the entire trial to be moved over to
the Hogithum Preparations Hall (at least not just yet), but since
that appears to have happened, I'll go ahead and close the doors on
this hall in order to avoid possible further confusion.
-------------------- Everyone always
overgeneralizes everything entirely too much. ~TSL )O(
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Mercy, you've shown me little. And so it is with no little
irony that I call SHEOGORATH to defend me on the matters of my
state!
It will be most fascinating to
find out if Vehk the Mortal and Vehk the God has the same state of
mind as Vehk the Rescinded. If so SHEOGORATH would likely know as it
is his area of expertise. This would help to prove if Vehk the
Mortal is truely dead or not. It will be interesting also to hear
the state of mind of why Vehk the Mortal would have murdered his
Hortator, instead of just using the profane tools without
permission. Is it that Indoril Nerevar was trying to stop the
procedure from occuring and died an honorable death trying to uphold
the oaths to Azura? Or was it that Vehk the Mortal became insane and
murdered Nerevar simply because he knew of the Heart of Lorkhan?
If the last is true, then it could be argued that Vehk the
Mortal and Vehk the God both did constrive to keep the knowledge of
the Heart of Lorkhan under concealment. It would also link to the
continuation of concealment of the truth and the concealment of
events that truely did occur. In this event of concealment during
Vehk the Gods tenure, did not suppression and assassinations occur
to keep it this way?
If Vehk the Mortal is a concealer of
the Heart of Lorkhan and a murderor to keep it that way, is it not
safe to say that 'If' Vehk the God did the same actions, that Vehk
the Mortal is indeed still alive?
I would like to see more
comparison of this arguement. Did Vehk the God and Vehk the Mortal
have the same motivations? If no then Vehk the God is truely
different, but if yes then it is hard for me to acknowledge Vehk the
Mortal as being dead when his motivations were not.
In this
reference, I present the case of Oreyn Bearclaw vs Kharag gro-Khar.
The descendants of Bearclaw did continue to curtail the publics
opinion by falsely attributing their ancestors as the hero instead
of the true hero Kharag gro-Khar. In so doing the descendants are
allowing thier ancestors motivations to continue to live. If not
punished, then one could say that the motivations are living proof
of the crime and continuation of it. Therefor, punishment to the
descendants for retribution should be acceptable. The rescinding of
the crime of his forbears still was not enough, the punishment
sentenced in Malacath's Court was the forfeiture of life.
Though this is from another court I find its meaning
relavent to this trial. I believe that punishment was to linient,
for I would have had him paraded around with a giant red L tattoo on
the forhead for Liar or Loser, never to be removed or concealed,
forever shunned from society. Though I can well understand why
Malacath did not even want one such as him even in his Sphere of
Ostracism.
-------------------- Alchemy Machine Mod in
Artuzu - screen shots Dwemer Links Prof. of Academy for
Dwemer Studies Member of Team Pheonix
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