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Was it His Destiny to become Emporer?

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I've replayed the main quest in the Elders Scrolls IV:Oblivion. After the sacrifice of Martin Septim to save Nirn, you are then appointed Champion of Cyrodiil by High Chancellar Ocato. But I came to thinking here: was the Champion meant to be the next Emporer of Tamriel?

The Champion went to hell and back (literally) just to save the Empire he loves. To restore the bastard son to the throne, and reseal the barrier between Oblivion and Nirn. The Champion showed how great of an Emporer he would have been.

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Just like with Tiber Septim. Tiber Septim was Culehcains' most favored general. After Culehcain was assassinated, Tiber Septim assumed the throne.

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I may be wrong here but it was an idea I thought would get a few decent discussions about. Do you think the Champion of Cyrodiil should have taken the throne, or you think that wouldn't work out?

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Tiber Septim was a general, a proven (and liked) leader of men. While your character is important to you, they're not really out there leading armies or interacting with people. You're really kind of a special agent more than anything, running errands and saving the world behind the curtains. There's nothing in what you do that proves you would be a great leader, only that you've got martial skill and the ability to follow directions. 

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Dang, thought my theory would make some sense...

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The one thing that most player characters have in common (And some other special mentions like Pelinal) are that they always tend give up power/disappear to take up wandering again. Its sort of a theme they all have going on. 

The thing with Skyrim is though, we were very, very close to actually having our own agency for once as opposed to currying favor to faction X, Y, or Z. We could have actually been big players in the game, to whom various powers would actually come looking towards us for support, and not the other way around. Maybe not quite being THE EMPEROR or even the High King, but we could have been someone with power that didn't amount to slicing/stabbing/burning. The whole Blades thing was so very close to reaching this, but the sectioned off nature of Skyrims Main Quest and the Civil War quest line made it all fall apart. There was so much that could've been done that could have made its main quest great, and it just sort of flounders after the first couple of hours or so.

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Marius wrote:
I may be wrong here but it was an idea I thought would get a few decent discussions about. Do you think the Champion of Cyrodiil should have taken the throne, or you think that wouldn't work out?
We played the cat's-paw, not the monkey. Oblivion just began to tell a story moments until Martin left with the nuts...

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"...should no heir of our joined blood wear the Amulet of Kings, then shall the Empire descend into darkness, and the Demon Lords of Misrule shall govern the land."

Sure your character was a great person, (Entering Oblivion gates and closing them is no small task) he/she has no right to the ruby throne and would only descend the empire into darkness.

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...or so the Imperial canon has it. There are two problems with the Imperial canon though. In practice the throne and presumably the Amulet have been held by a rag tag collection of relatives, usurpers, foreigners and other people with no clear relation to Alessia. On top of that Alessia herself is a near-mythological figure from more then 4000 years ago. In this timespan a significant portion of the population would be a descendant of her.

Either way, as it is told, through the Imperial canon, the motivation behind the Story of Oblivion doesn't really work. The Prophet in the Knights of the Nine plugin made a point about this obsession of genealogies though:

You pore over your dusty tomes of lore. You study ancient genealogies and bloodlines. Look you to blood for truth? There is truth in blood, but it is not the truth that you seek! The truth is written in the blood of the innocent, there in the Chapel of Love! Can you not read the ancient runes? "As oiobala Umarile, Ehlnada racuvar!" A curse and a threat to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear! Are there are any among you who still understand the ancient tongue? "By the eternal power of Umaril, the mortal gods shall be cast down." ~ The Propeth

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There were too many seams left, by the narrative's end, that KotN had to be written. I was friends with your grandfather, the Underking says, He sent me to help you run the Empire. For one, we were meant to read the "eternal" conflict in the Numantia Intercept into the dynastic, but of course all that's missing until KotN added it. Then our idiotic role as cat's-paw became lucid to us, as we became took on Pelinal's role.