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Unlimited Lifeforce! Is it POSSIBLE???

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Hey guys,
 
I just had a couple questions about general magic possabilitys, mainly involving necromancy in one way or another.
 
So basically, I'm starting work on a TES book, about a high elf named Yazark, Bone Grinder. Now, Yazark has an ability unlike any other magic user in the Elder Scrolls universe, he has been alive for over 8,000 years, and still has at least a million to go! Yazark started as a healer, and eventually discovered his true talent for necromancy. After years of study and seclusion, Yazark had discovered something that no one had discovered before, he found a way to stay alive, forever! Now yazark did appear to physically age, but that was only on his exterior, his flesh and blood were still the same age as when he began practicing his method of immortality. 
 
the only downside that i have put to Yazarks method so far, is that he is required to kill and absorb the life force of another being in order to stay alive. After doing so, Yazark gets anything from 1-2 months, to 5-6 years of life, it all depends on what he aborbs the life force from. (I based this method with soul gems in mind, using there proporties as a basis)
 
anyways, thats really all i can think of right now, please give any questions or comments! 
I am not super knowledgeable when it comes to TES lore, but if you guys are please stick to this thread, as i will most likely post other questions/comments i may have involving my story here!
 
thanks again guys,
Gabe
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Molag Bol created vampires (immortals) to spite Arkay. Yazark could have made a deal with Bol.

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I'm with Tailin. If he's an immortal who needs to feed on the life of others, why not make him a vampire? Also, Yazark sounds pretty Orcish for an Altmer.

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A bit of flavor dialogue in Morrowind about Mistress Therana implies she could literally talk forever, sustained as she is by the necromantic arts. What we can take away from this is that it's theoretically possible for someone super knowledgeable and wealthy like a Telvanni Mage-Lord to live forever, given the proper materials.

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I thought she was draining the life essence out of people. Men, specifically. Though I can't remember where that bit came from. Maybe it was only implied. And it could be called necromantic but I'm not a fan of blanket terms. It's a bit like saying "Using computer he made billions" when talking about Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

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More to the point. I think the whole Necromancy thing is misplaced. Just using magic seems to be good enough to stay immortal. The stuff comes from Aetherius, the realm of stasis and all that, should be easy to keep your body from getting old (the effects of Sithis).

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Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

A bit of flavor dialogue in Morrowind about Mistress Therana implies she could literally talk forever, sustained as she is by the necromantic arts. What we can take away from this is that it's theoretically possible for someone super knowledgeable and wealthy like a Telvanni Mage-Lord to live forever, given the proper materials.

I like the way Pilaf puts it; by using a similar context to this you would stay more true to the lore than the said deal with Molag Bol. Also, if possible at some point, I would be interested in reading your story

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Proweler wrote:

I thought she was draining the life essence out of people. Men, specifically. Though I can't remember where that bit came from. Maybe it was only implied. And it could be called necromantic but I'm not a fan of blanket terms. It's a bit like saying "Using computer he made billions" when talking about Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

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More to the point. I think the whole Necromancy thing is misplaced. Just using magic seems to be good enough to stay immortal. The stuff comes from Aetherius, the realm of stasis and all that, should be easy to keep your body from getting old (the effects of Sithis).

Just quoting what the game says, dude. The whole "The Telvanni magisters are all really old and sustained by necromancy" thing goes way back. 

I believe your memory of a woman draining  a man's life force was connected to the Mabigrash quests in the game, not the Telvanni. (Draining a person's life force could technically fall under that umbrella term of Necromancy, though.)

Of course, you can't put a ton of stock in rumors. Ashlanders in ESO call the Tribubal "three old Necromancers who stole their divinity." (Oh wait. Actually true.)

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No worries. I know it comes from the game but it never did sound right to me.

Wasn't Mabigrash. It was Dratha.

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Oh, her. The arch-misandrist of House Telvanni. She was an amusing character in her own way.

Mabigrash definitely did that too, though. It's apparently a common practice among female Dunmer magic users. Better watch out during those trips to the star-wounded east.

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To go another route other than Telvanni longevity, nobody knows why King Orgnum is immortal, other than he's a wizard (could be Necromancy, but nothing is said about it). Especially if you don't believe in the whole "He's Satakal" which I don't.

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Yazark could try to turn himself into a lich if he's a necromancer (I've seen it happen)

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Yeah, but the whole Lich thing is almost always very noticeable, with exceptions. (Mannimarco seems very fresh, depending on which incarnation of him we're currently dealing with, but his particular form of Lichdom is next-level and unique. He's also pretty obviously a body swapper.)

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Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

Oh, her. The arch-misandrist of House Telvanni. She was an amusing character in her own way.

Mabigrash definitely did that too, though. It's apparently a common practice among female Dunmer magic users. Better watch out during those trips to the star-wounded east.

 

Checking out these claims in the construction set, I couldn't find dialogue that says Dratha does this. These are the two relevant lines:

 

Mistress Dratha is the oldest living Telvanni Councilor and is sustained by the necromantic arts. She dislikes men of all races, though I do not know why. You may find her in her tower in Tel Mora.

 

A mabrigash is an Ashlander witch-warrior, a renegade wise woman who has forsaken the established rules of behavior for an Ashlander woman to become a master of dark magic and the weapons of war. By secret rituals the mabrigash steals a man's vital essence and makes herself a powerful sorcerer and warrior. The manifestation of her dark power is called a 'ghost snake' that paralyzes and drains a victim's vitality.

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Ah...that's what I thought. It's obscene the amount of time I spent playing Morrowind in my early 20's. Looks like some of that knowledge sank in.

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-SIlenceMyBrother-

Try using Lorkhan's heart

 

Read: Nerevar at Red Mountain (Dragonborn DLC book)

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There are theories pointing out that Mannimarco in Oblivion is a fake and is actually his apprentice that aspired to be him, also Lich's start out normal by the way, they don't fall apart, its just they don't regenerate, so say I got a small cut on my hand, if i was normal it would heal, if i was a lich it wouldn't, it would stay there forever, so basically all the injuries you see on a rich could be thousands of years old.

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ATOMUS UNSM, VM ITTR A VSK PRET,

We must constantly seek salvation and perfection through division, Seek heaven through Violence.

Or just ask mother Meridia nicely in this case.

But if you would do it yourself...  here's a little tidbit from "Where were you" that may or may not be relevant, seems like ESO covers this MUCH better but I've never played it.

Mannimarco, God of Worms, the Necromancers:

"As for myself, I was here and there and here again, like the rest of the mortals during the Dragon Break. How do you think I learned my mystery? The Maruhkati Selectives showed us all the glories of the Dawn so that we might learn, simply: as above, so below.""

"Here and there and here again" - Here and There amongst timelines, presents, pasts and futures (at least in the context of a Dragon Break I would assume so)
"My mystery" - His Longevity (or Divinity as the Necromancers Moon?)
"glories of the Dawn" - Referring to the Middle Dawn, the supposed massive Dragon Break (or cause thereof) brought about by the selectives, a sect within the Alessian order
"Simply: as above, so below" - Just reeks of Symbol Magic, which is absolutely a path to ascension, this is what all the artefact macguffins in The Shivering Isles was about. 

In short, I'm inclined to believe that during the non-linear timeline of the Middle Dawn Mannimarco learned of the symbols required to Mantel a spirit (In this case Arkay), and put this into practice around the time of the Warp in the West, becoming the Shade of the Revenant/Necromancers Moon. 

Whether the Mannimarco that reappeared in Cyrodiil in the third Era is merely a possessed proxy body, or a very good faker I have no clue, but I'd like to think it's the former option.