Shezzarines - Lorkhan - Underking connections

there are several interesting theories in that thread that i have been thinking of also. if Shor-Lorkhan was the god who conceived of the world, and the humans of nordic origin the descendants of those who supported him against the resentful elven pantheon, and if the implications that Shor came down in avatar form to rule the humans at key points in history, then are we to assume that may be how the aedra manifest themselves physically? by placing parts of their poetic nature into certain influential mortals in history

and keeping this post from Kirkbride in mind

1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
N

are we to assume that this new dragonborn will be the 7th letter in lorkhans name? if lorkhans heart has been freed from red mountain, then are we about to witness the return of the father of humanity? as a huge fan of lorkhan and all he stands for (or what i have taken him to stand for based on my readings at least) this would be a truly monumental occasion for me.

 I find it a little hard to believe however that the same akatosh that saved the cyrodils will return to destroy their cousins, i find it far more likely that the akatosh that saved the imperial city in oblivion is the new imperial aspect of akatosh, who serves to replace lorkhan as the king of the gods, and protects humanity. While alduin in reality is the TRUE aspect of akatosh, who hated creation and lorkhan and the humans for bringing it into existance. i believe that the nine divines (an amalgam of the nordic and elven pantheons) by making akatosh kind and peaceful, pacified the elves and helped them overcome their dedication to the worlds destruction, and live in harmony with the humans. Alduin therefore must be incredibly mad that he has been forsaken by his own people in favour of the human philosophy. Lorkhan was the original vengeful akatosh's greatest enemy, so it makes sense that his champion (as i said before, the only way he can manifest a physical form) would have to defeat Alduin.

of course we may all be proven horribly wrong once skyrim comes out, but since so many people are coming up with such similar theories i think we may be on the right track. :)

 I'd hesitate to call any deity from a given pantheon the "true" deity -- they're all very real, thanks to the power of myth in the Aurbis. The question that arises, naturally, is "Are related -- but occasionally contradictory -- deities from different pantheons the same being?" I'd guess the answer is both yes and no. MK has used the term mirror-brother.

And did Akatosh actually "save" Cyrodiil? Or was he rather preventing Mehrunes Dagon from stealing what he saw as his upcoming meal?

Don't get me wrong -- I think it's fascinating that the "deus" of the deus ex machina ending of Oblivion is turning out to be the villain of the upcoming game, or at least an aspect of that villain. But I think it's safe to say what looks like salvation at the end of one game can end up being more than what it seems (witness Azura and her intervention on behalf of the Nerevarine -- which in the long run brings about the almost-complete destruction of the Dunmer people).

 Although that destruction may have been wholly complete without that intervention. It is difficult to understand the machinations of higher powers, but thankfully not impossibly in this setting. In this case, it boils down to "Azura is a petty bitch."

As for the duality and power of myth, I think it can be something far more simple, beautiful and difficult: "yes." 

And why not? Whether or not we can find convergent motivations in the Akatosh-aspect stopping Dagon and the Alduin-aspect destroying the world, it is a heady thing to think that they are the same, salvation and damnation as one.

I probably should clarify, when I said true aspect I meant the chronologically earlier one. The one that according to the myths appears to have come first. I tend to get hyped up and misword things when i'm discussing topics i'm interested in, I guess I missed that part when I was proofreading.

No worries, Eoghan, I do the same thing. And yet I'm infamous among my friends for being nitpicky with others' semantics.

Rereading your original comment, I'm trying to make better sense of it. I'm gonna rephrase what I think you're trying to say:

The being known as Alduin/Akatosh is a single being who, thanks to the remaking of the pantheon by Alessia (and further monkeying [pun unintended] by the Marukhati), now represents both halves of the Enantiomorph. The Akatosh aspect has come to represent the Rebel (due to Lorkhan's influence) because of his attachment to this particular kalpa, and it is this aspect which is championing the cause of the Dovahkiin. The Alduin aspect is more or less unchanged and wishes to resume his regular cycle of world-eating.

Is that right?

Thus, taking into account Lorkhan's effect, Dovahkiin are empowered by the Dragon to stop the Dragon.

Simple, if a bit unusual by mortal standards. But I like the idea: When a god is insane, it lets mortals decide the fate of its battling internal contradictions.

Like Jeroic said: more simple, beautiful, and difficult. I wonder how this theory will hold up in the game?

I don't think it's necesary to invoke the Enantiomorph to describe Alduin and Akatosh. They have never fought over anything, for a start. For a second, I very much doubt that Skyrim's MQ will involve deus ex machina input by Akatosh in a manner that would justify such as theory, as that would be Oblivion redux.

I'm only suggesting that the hero of Skyrim will receive gifts and support from some divine force. This is not the same thing as deus ex machina. But, I concede your point, inasmuch as Alduin/Akatosh haven't fought over anything. Perhaps the two haven't needed to fight over anything...yet. As for invoking the Enantiomorph, perhaps it is unnecessary, but I was doing so in order to try and make sense of Eoghan's original comment. My suggestions read roughly the same with references to the King and Rebel removed.

My whole original point was this: it seems our hero will be gifted with the power of dragons by the Gods, but it would seem strange that the one doing the gifting would be Lorkhan, as he has, traditionally speaking, very little to do with dragons.

But the Dragonborn in TES V is going to be distinguished by The Voice, a trait which Shezarrines have exhibited above all. So it could either way, depending on how much they associate Thu'um with dragons.

Lorkhan/Shor fought Alduin. So he has something to do with dragons although he himself isn't one. Fight fire with fire.

thats more or less what i was trying to say i suppose, good job making sense of my ramblings, even i dont know what they mean half the time XD