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I hate those fan made maps.

 

Aldmeris doesnt exist, we have no idea how large akavir, Panyodiea, or Atmora are.

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Where did the elves come from then?

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The same place all mortal life did, Tamirel.

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It's bad form to correct one person's misinterpretation of the lore with your own.

Aldmeris may materially exist just as readily as it may be a metaphor for the Merrish condition.

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Yokuda shouldn't be there. It sunk to the bottom of the ocean. 

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Toxikyle wrote:

Yokuda shouldn't be there. It sunk to the bottom of the ocean. 

This is a common misconception. While most of the continent did indeed sink, the island chain on that map remains, and people and goods move between it and Tamriel. The 'Yokuda' on that map is the remnant of the continent of the bigger continent.

(the rest of that map is unsourced, wrong, or illogical, though)

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Since the op is a bit unclear; did you make this, or find it online? I'd say, kudos to the designer for his hard work. If only he/she had spent that time diving into the lore first.

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Lady N wrote:
(the rest of that map is unsourced, wrong, or illogical, though)

Which is to say... canon, according to Kirkbride's latest decree. Am I wrong?

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Let us not turn this thread into an argument about C0DA; there's already a thread for that. When Lady N said that, she meant the commonly agreed-upon lore which, while not necessarily more or less "right", is what is seen as "true" by most. It's no reason to instigate an off-topic argument on this thread because of it.

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Bibliophael wrote:

Lady N wrote:
(the rest of that map is unsourced, wrong, or illogical, though)

Which is to say... canon, according to Kirkbride's latest decree. Am I wrong?

The whole point is that there is no canon ;)

Aldmeris is stated not to exist within game lore, so your headcanon/c0da/whatever would have to ignore that for this map to work. Other than that, my objections to this map are mostly that it's illogical and, to me, boring. Not every island needs to be Madagascar. Especially when they're describes as small island kingdoms used as nothing more than stepping stones. 

If you want to believe that this is what Nirn looks like, be my guest. I don't like it, and I don't think the in-universe sources as-is support it, but it's not up to me to decide. 

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This is me retracting a comment and withdrawing from debate.

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There is no right lore - there is common lore. We are building a communal mythic universe. The games are that common lore, which we, for the most part accept. There are parts of them that we do not, and parts outside of them that we do. C0DA does not abolish this middle ground. C0DA cannot abolish this middle ground. Neither is C0DA an excuse to write stupid shit - unless you're trying to make a slippery slope fallacy and be laughed out of discussions. 

Take Medea. We accept that she murdered her children on purpose. But that is a plot point to an older myth made up by Euriphides, prior to his writing it, she killed her children by accident or not at all. Which one is right lore?

(this is me replying to the comment as it was being retracted)

 

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Despite the fact that this map may have flaws, I still think it's cool to finally see all the continents that I read about in-game all in one place. Nice job if your the one who made this.

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Damnit Joseph. Your map lied to me. You told me my grandaddy was from Nirnroot and he came to this country on a boat.

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That map lacked Dwarf Island.

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I'd just like to know where that whole Pyandonea concept came from because I've seen it on several other fan made maps before too.

The Aldmeris thing shouldn't be on there, though. The Mer are from Alinor; and, by extension, Tamriel (though some other Mer may be special cases).

Also, what's with people covering all of Morrowind in ash? The land does have green fields and foliage, you know. Even after the Red Year.

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I'd just like to know where that whole Pyandonea concept came from because I've seen it on several other fan made maps before too.

A globe in Daggerfall. http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/df_globe.gif Well, Arthmodeus originally got it from there at any rate, and I imagine everyone else is drawing from him. Personally, I don't think the currently accepted depiction of the island looks much like the source. 

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Lady N wrote:

Tauryon wrote:

I'd just like to know where that whole Pyandonea concept came from because I've seen it on several other fan made maps before too.

A globe in Daggerfall. http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/df_globe.gif Well, Arthmodeus originally got it from there at any rate, and I imagine everyone else is drawing from him. Personally, I don't think the currently accepted depiction of the island looks much like the source. 

Ah, I see, thanks. Yeah, it didn't look much like how it was described in that one book (something about Altmer ships doing battle with them and only one of them making it out of Pyandonea).

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Pandemonium Puppet wrote:

Since the op is a bit unclear; did you make this, or find it online? I'd say, kudos to the designer for his hard work. If only he/she had spent that time diving into the lore first.

I did find it on line. I just wanted it to be noticed. We should try to "correct" it's mistakes.

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TBH, Arthmodeus' conversion from globe-to-map was not preformed with care-- zooming up unto a pixilated Pyandonea reveals a very different shape. 

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Sajuuk-Khar wrote:

The same place all mortal life did, Tamirel.

Only the Argonians and the Kajits were originally on Tamirel, The Redguards came form Yocuda, The Nords, Bretons, and the Imperials came from Atmora, and the High, Wood, And Dark Elfs came from Altmeris

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Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

That map lacked Dwarf Island.

The Dwemer broke off of The ancestors of the high elfs so they are originally high elves

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Nerevkiin wrote:
Only the Argonians and the Kajits were originally on Tamirel, The Redguards came form Yocuda, The Nords, Bretons, and the Imperials came from Atmora, and the High, Wood, And Dark Elfs came from Altmeris

There is a school of thought which believes Atmora and Aldmeris, at least, and possibly Yokuda and Akavir as well, are/were all the same thing as Tamriel.

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I'd like to see a cosmography of Nirn depicting mythical features, such as the Teeth of the World. These speculative maps trying a scientific approach don't arouse wonder.

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My version of Nirn - much like a Dark Seducer's vagina - always included jagged teeth.

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Nerevkiin wrote:

Sajuuk-Khar wrote:

The same place all mortal life did, Tamirel.

Only the Argonians and the Kajits were originally on Tamirel, The Redguards came form Yocuda, The Nords, Bretons, and the Imperials came from Atmora, and the High, Wood, And Dark Elfs came from Altmeris

Not quite. All 'life' began on a mega-continent. That continent was split apart, separating certain races. Aldmeris is an idealized version of this mega-continent. 

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This is also why Dragons "originate" in both Atmora and Akavir. Before the Hist-Jillian wars, Dragons were everywhere all across the giant mega continent. Just like the Hist. When the burning, meteoric remnants of Aldmeris crashed into Nirn, the landscape was scarred/changed forever. When the Aldmer actually began to war with the trees, the very fabric of the planet was shifted around.

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"On the world of Nirn, all was chaos. The only survivors of the twelve worlds of Creation were the Ehlnofey and the Hist. The Ehlnofey are the ancestors of Mer and Men. The Hist are the trees of Argonia. Nirn originally was all land, with interspersed seas, but no oceans.

A large fragment of the Ehlnofey world landed on Nirn relatively intact, and the Ehlnofey living there were the ancestors of the Mer. These Ehlnofey fortified their borders from the chaos outside, hid their pocket of calm, and attempted to live on as before. Other Ehlnofey arrived on Nirn scattered amid the confused jumble of the shattered worlds, wandering and finding each other over the years. Eventually, the wandering Ehlnofey found the hidden land of Old Ehlnofey, and were amazed and joyful to find their kin living amid the splendor of ages past. The wandering Ehlnofey expected to be welcomed into the peaceful realm, but the Old Ehlnofey looked on them as degenerates, fallen from their former glory. For whatever reason, war broke out, and raged across the whole of Nirn. The Old Ehlnofey retained their ancient power and knowledge, but the Wanderers were more numerous, and toughened by their long struggle to survive on Nirn. This war reshaped the face of Nirn, sinking much of the land beneath new oceans, and leaving the lands as we know them (Tamriel, Akavir, Atmora, and Yokuda). The Old Ehlnofey realm, although ruined, became Tamriel. The remnants of the Wanderers were left divided on the other 3 continents." ---- from the annotated anuad

So, I am new to the site but I would like to begin by sharing my views on this subject. According to this fragment from the book "the annotated anuad" when nirn was first formed is was a planet that had an almost solid landmass with "interspersed" seas. A large group of Elhnofey landed together and tried to rebuild and live as they had on the 12 planes of creation. They formed the kingdom of Old Elhnofey, or aldmeris. Other groups of Elhnofey called "the wanderers" were scattered across all of nirn. The Old Elnhonefey kept many traditions and magics from their ancient past, opposed to the wanderers who lost these traditions but grew in number and strength due to their struggle to survive on nirn. Eventually get the kingdom of Old Elhnofey was found by the wanderers, and they were in awe of their kinsman living among the traditions of the past. Expecting to be welcomed by their brethren, they tried to enter the kingdom, but were only met with hostility. A war broke out, and through the use of powerful magic and warfare, much of nirn was destroyed. This reshaped the land into the continents of Yokuda, Tamriel, Atmora, and Akavir. It also states that Old Elhnofey, or aldmeris, WAS tamriel, and was so far changed or "ruined" that it did not resemble the old Elhnofey realm at all. That being said, it is reasonable to say that aldmeris DID exist, but not as a seperate land from tamriel. Furthermore, the memories and depictions carried by all elves of aldmeris, are simply the fragmented memories of the kingdom of Old Elhnofey, as the people of this kingdom in turn seperate into the merrish races. The wanderers were left scattered across the continents of nirn and eventually became the seperate races of man.

So really the only thing wrong with this map is 1. Aldmeris should not be on it and 2. We dont know the sizes (and shapes) of the smaller islands (roscrea, pyandonea, cathionequey, etc).

What im getting at is, besides the two points above, what would need to be altered to make sense with accepted lore? I am trying to put together a "as close as possible" map of all of nirn. Also feel free to discuss any misconceptions you may think I have shared as I love to hear other peoples opinions and will gladly take your opinion into account

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In addition to your two points, the general shape of Tamriel seems very squished. It's a rectangle more than a square. Also, we don't know the sizes and shapes of anything but Tamriel and Yokuda. 

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So have we returned to recognizing canon, now?