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This thread was created on June 19th, 2006, and served to try to define and explain some of those obscure or made up words used in Elder Scrolls lore. It also talks about the disappearance of the Dwemer and the historical truths in Carlovac Townway writings, among other topics.

MK is Michael Kirkbride, and Sheogorath is Ted Peterson.

Posts that were not addressed have been omitted, as have posts that came after this thread was necromanced in 2009. You can see the full thread here.

**MK

Hey folks,

Feeling much better, thankee thankee. Boy, there sure are a lot of made up words in Tamriel, like "dracochrysalis" and "impossipoint" and "mananaut"..!

and and and

Tell you what: you guys round 'em up and I'll do my best to explain what they are. In-character. Or you guys can try and figure them out yourself. In any case, it should be fun. 

Phrases count, too, so "Empire Actual" can be listed, for example.

Let's go. Gimme your favorites. Everybody play. 


Allerleirauh

Um... some of my favorites aren't coined words, but words that are used in a special context. 

Mythopoeic, enantiomorph, dreamsleeve.


Nalion

If might throw in another word...

I'd love to see this word explained in ES context:

Arenotelicon 


**MK

Ahem. Here we go. Okay, maybe this will only sorta-kinda be in-character. Or not in-character at all. I make the rules here, because I am filthy with power.

Mythopoeic: Could you show me where this was used?

Enantiomorph: I found this in a really, really weird dictionary, which chose to explain it as "a merged dichotomy". In TES, the Enantiomorph is most commonly used to refer to the really, really weird mythic figure of Arctus-who-is-Septim. I'll allow others to play with this until I get back to it, as there's some good takes that certain loremasters have on the Enantiomorph.

Dreamsleeve: Stolen from a neat word Ken made up for Battlespire. The dreamsleeve is a conduit for sending special transmissions. Used by weirdo magicians and Imperial clerks, mainly. Kinda like myspace...only to reach it one must have at least part of their brain constantly meditating, because one aspect of the conduit is that it is able to carry images of concepts not yet "real". 


**MK

If might throw in another word...

I'd love to see this word explained in ES context:

Arenotelicon

Okay, another filthy with power rule: cite where the word came from in the lore if it's really, really obscure.

Thanks! 


Attrebus

Mythopoeic: Could you show me where this was used?

Used by Yagrum Bagarn in Morrowind

Okay, another filthy with power rule: cite where the word came from in the lore if it's really, really obscure.

Arenotelicon is in "Nu-Hatta of the Sphinxmoth Inquiry Tree and his somewhat edited response": 


Allerleirauh

Mythopoeic: Could you show me where this was used?

As in "mythopoeic enchantments" which is what Kagrenac was supposedly doing with the tools. Would appear to mean, "shaping reality by means of altering archetypes and myth." 


rakushun_kun

Enantiomorph: I found this in a really, really weird dictionary, which chose to explain it as "a merged dichotomy". In TES, the Enantiomorph is most commonly used to refer to the really, really weird mythic figure of Arctus-who-is-Septim. I'll allow others to play with this until I get back to it, as there's some good takes that certain loremasters have on the Enantiomorph.

Really? I thought enantiomorph was mirror-image, and it's synonymous to the word "enantiomer?" Usually, mirror images are described as "chiral," or handedness where the left hand is the mirror image of the right, yet are identical in structure? Eh, maybe it's just the organic chemistry.


Nalion

Okay, another filthy with power rule: cite where the word came from in the lore if it's really, really obscure.

Digging deep into the filthy swamp that is MK-ish lore talk... 

"Hnnnh. Critical subplex inquest: divine roster, supermundus physiotype."

Tiber Septim: "The Stormcrown manted by way of the fourth: the steps of the dead. Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you. This is the death children bring as the Sons of Hora."

Arkay: "Lies from a previous age."

King of Worms: "The Jills of Aka-tosh have mended this numidition. Mannimarco remains as he was: the high priest of maggots."

Almalexia: "Hnnnh. Kyne and Mara and Dibella and sixteen Daedric elements: all contributed to the snake-faced queen when she touched the drum. Their sum? A Beauty Cala as none have seen. Cala! Wetness of Kingdom!"

Sotha Sil: "...incalculable."

Vivec: "Arenotelicon."

Dagoth Ur: "Sharmat. Dream-sleeved inversion, where the Biters live, he brought them here, pawn of the Aggregate."

Nerevarine: "Pantheon by incarnation, as all alive now know." 
- Nu-Hatta from the Sphinxmoth Inquiry Tree

Hmm, I see a lot more big MK words in there... 


**MK

Really? I thought enantiomorph was mirror-image, and it's synonymous to the word "enantiomer?" Usually, mirror images are described as "chiral," or handedness where the left hand is the mirror image of the right, yet are identical in structure? Eh, maybe it's just the organic chemistry.

FIGHT!

As in "mythopoeic enchantments" which is what Kagrenac was supposedly doing with the tools. Would appear to mean, "shaping reality by means of altering archetypes and myth."

Winner!

Now: FwP assignment - give me a little example of how a mythopoeic enchanment might work on, say, "Chorus-based Changes to The Hanged Man, by Kagrenac, age 8".


**Sheogorath

Arkay: "Lies from a previous age."

No big words in this one. This is just MK saying that the lore from the previous game was being ejected.

:glare: 


Nalion

Actually, that was one that I understood. I was more referring to "supermundus physiotype", "numidition", said "Arenotelicon" and "Pawn of the Aggregate".


**MK

Vivec: "Arenotelicon."

Pretty easy: "a creature that alternates between male and female." 

Why not just "phase-shifting tr*nny"? Well, because sometimes the old words are best, as they ring with implied importance and are all long and spooky-looking.

In a more ES-Nu-Hatta sense (meaning Tamrielic theosophy): "The ultimate in all the marriages between."


Allerleirauh

Now: FwP assignment - give me a little example of how a mythopoeic enchanment might work on, say, "Chorus-based Changes to The Hanged Man, by Kagrenac, age 8".

Heh, this led to a discussion of the Crux of Transcendence in the chatroom...

Let's see... it might be neat if instead of having to suffer yourself to become a god, you could borrow some other god's suffering... by, say, putting on their skin... or ringing the past event like a bell and channeling the power with a big old TUNING FORK! If you made the tuning fork into a nifty short-blade, it would be even keener. But you would probably need to wear something to protect yourself. At least a glove. 


**MK

No big words in this one. This is just MK saying that the lore from the previous game was being ejected.

WHINY BABY!

Who would like to ret-con this for me? Remember, I graciously ret-conned myself with "Witness the Red King Once Jungled." Instead of being a Whiny Baby.

FwP assignment for 8,000 points: Ret-conning the lies of a previous age with a true Aedric Arkay that will be both "alluring" and "pertinent to our current age". 


**Sheogorath

FwP assignment for 8,000 points: Ret-conning the lies of a previous age with a true Aedric Arkay that will be both "alluring" and "pertinent to our current age". 

Actually, "Arkay The Enemy" did that. 


**MK

Let's see... it might be neat if instead of having to suffer yourself to become a god, you could borrow some other god's suffering... by, say, putting on their skin... or ringing the past event like a bell and channeling the power with a big old TUNING FORK! If you made the tuning fork into a nifty short-blade, it would be even keener. But you would probably need to wear something to protect yourself. At least a glove.

Hmmm. So you're saying that by ringing the bell of an established archetype, and changing its tune, that you could either A) use that power and maybe B ) transform that power. In the case of The Hanged Man, what would you gain in A? What motivation for B?

Or just continue.

Somehow I feel like this will spiral into a True History of the Disappearance, or The Numidium Was Really a Walking Wind-Chime.

Which would rule.

Actually, "Arkay The Enemy" did that.

Except for the being alluring part.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Okay, snark-hat off: "Arkay the Enemy" doesn't really posit an a priori Divine Arkay, who would've contributed to the world's creation at the Convention, alongside a johnny-come-later mortal Arkay, who seems to experience a Tiber-like apotheosis during his lifetime. 

Meaning it doesn't really address the paradox. Which is why the assignment is worth 8,000 freakin points. 


Allerleirauh

Hmmm. So you're saying that by ringing the bell of an established archetype, and changing its tune, that you could either A) use that power and maybe B ) transform that power. In the case of The Hanged Man, what would you gain in A? What motivation for B?

Or just continue.

Somehow I feel like this will spiral into a True History of the Disappearance, or The Numidium Was Really a Walking Wind-Chime.

Which would rule.

I was mixing my metaphors, which is a dangerous thing to do in mythopoeic enchanting.

The second bit refers to what Vivec and the Trib. did with the tools. They walloped the heart with it, creating a repeat of the mythic event of Lorkhan's heart being ripped out. Then they used Keening to turn the agony into a tone they could bathe in. Thus, Keening, wailing or suffering. The wraithguard was used to shield the user from the untransmuted... whateveryoucall raw mythic energy. You're the word dude, make something up.

First bit refers to the Numidium, which is what Kagrenac was trying to do before the Tribunal interrupted him. We know Kagrenac made the tools to create a mantella, a Crux of Transcendence. (For those who don't read the Tarot, the Hanged Man in Tarot symbolizes the Crux of Transcendence, suffering to gain transcendence: Jesus on the cross, Odin hanging from the tree to gain wisdom, etc.)

So, we know what the tools are like, and what the Tribunal did with them, and we know what the mantella is like, and more or less how Tiber Septim made it - he killed his best friend, reenacting the murder of Lorkhan by Akatosh, and shoved his best friend's soul (or his own, or both, since they were tied) into a fancy rock, and then he plugged it into the Numidium, or Divine Skin.

Where the Divine Skin itself came from, the wise can find in other places. 


Nalion

Let's see... it might be neat if instead of having to suffer yourself to become a god, you could borrow some other god's suffering... by, say, putting on their skin... or ringing the past event like a bell and channeling the power with a big old TUNING FORK! If you made the tuning fork into a nifty short-blade, it would be even keener. But you would probably need to wear something to protect yourself. At least a glove.

Read the warning on both the tuning fork and the glove though.

"May result in repeated heart-ripping events. Heart-ripping events are copyrighted © Enantiomorph from the beginning of the second creation. Contains nuts."

I might have read wrong though. Lack of sleep does that to your reading comprehension skills. 


**MK

The second bit refers to what Vivec and the Trib. did with the tools. They walloped the heart with it, creating a repeat of the mythic event of Lorkhan's heart being ripped out. Then they used Keening to turn the agony into a tone they could bathe in. Thus, Keening, wailing or suffering. The wraithguard was used to shield the user from the untransmuted... whateveryoucall raw mythic energy. You're the word dude, make something up.

First bit refers to the Numidium, which is what Kagrenac was trying to do before the Tribunal interrupted him. We know Kagrenac made the tools to create a mantella, a Crux of Transcendence. (For those who don't read the Tarot, the Hanged Man in Tarot symbolizes the Crux of Transcendence, suffering to gain transcendence: Jesus on the cross, Odin hanging from the tree to gain wisdom, etc.)

So, we know what the tools are like, and what the Tribunal did with them, and we know what the mantella is like, and more or less how Tiber Septim made it - he killed his best friend, reenacting the murder of Lorkhan by Akatosh, and shoved his best friend's soul (or his own, or both, since they were tied) into a fancy rock, and then he plugged it into the Numidium, or Divine Skin.

Astounding. How long did this hide in plain sight?

Props.

As for making up a word for raw mythic energy, didn't I already do that? "Creatia"? 


Solin

Astounding. How long did this hide in plain sight?

Quite awhile. (See Xal)


Allerleirauh

As for making up a word for raw mythic energy, didn't I already do that? "Creatia"? 

Aha, thank you sir. Creatia.

Is leaking Creatia what the Daedra use to build their... buildy stuff... in Oblivion? Which is otherwise Void? 


 

**MK

Quite awhile. (See Xal)

"Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence."

Okay. So now everyone can stop posting about where the Dwarves went. I TOLD YOU EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Filthy with it, I am. 


Attrebus

So Kagrenac was trying to do what the Tribunal did, just on a much larger scale?

The Warp of the West was fractured time on a fairly large scale. And that was only with the Mantellian Crux as it's source of power. What would have happened if either Kagrenac or Dagoth Ur finished their constructions based on the Heart of Lorkhan?

Why the hell am I asking questions? 


Flannigus

Here's one you probably won't want to answer: The Digital House and the digitals from the Loveletter from the Fifth Era.

Feel free to toss in any tidbits about House Sul Progenitor House and C0DA while you're at it. 


MK

Is leaking Creatia what the Daedra use to build their... buildy stuff... in Oblivion? Which is otherwise Void?

Pretty much. Leaky creatia, otherwise called "kaleidocules".

Crap. I'm not supposed to be making up new words.

STRIKE THAT! 


Nalion

Pretty much. Leaky creatia, otherwise called "kaleidocules".

Wasn't there the term "Foyson" floating around?

I remember that this term came up in Loranna's RP, in conjunction with a device called "Eidolon", which served as a means to channel "creatia"/"mythopoeic energy" into the Void, thus destroying Creation.

Yep, I know, Loranna's RP is not canon, but I happen to like the word Foyson.


**Sheogorath

Okay, snark-hat off: "Arkay the Enemy" doesn't really posit an a priori Divine Arkay, who would've contributed to the world's creation at the Convention, alongside a johnny-come-later mortal Arkay, who seems to experience a Tiber-like apotheosis during his lifetime. 

Meaning it doesn't really address the paradox. Which is why the assignment is worth 8,000 freakin points.

Doesn't seem like it'd be hard to do. There's a Father and a Son in the Christian mythos, who are separate but one. As an Aedra of the cycle of birth and death, he became mortal, spirit transformed to flesh, to experience it firsthand, and then took his rightful place. 


**MK

Here's one you probably won't want to answer: The Digital House and the digitals from the Loveletter from the Fifth Era.

Feel free to toss in any tidbits about House Sul Progenitor House and C0DA while you're at it.

"Belief-engines, properly called the "Auxiliary Semi-Shockpoint Nilgularity", provide energy for short dream-sleeve jumps in case a Vehkship's main ego is damaged, allowing the C0DA Paravant to potentially get to the safety of a voidyard orbital. 

"By creating the equivalent of an Nu-class Mnemolic, shrinking it instantaneously via a creatia tesseract array, and then projecting the resulting moth-talk well to a nil-point just outside the ego's hull, an ASSN can slingshot the Paravant into era-streams without the needed energies of nearby aetheric bodies or shockpoint application. 

"The ASSN is strictly Last Ditch technology, however. It's often deemed as too dangerous for its own good, because it works on the rarified principles of Phynaster's Inversion, a set of mathematics that doesn't exist in our own dimension. Vehkships have vanished in nil-space trying to make an ASSN jump—indeed, the celestial irregularity known as the M4bV Legerity, in which the C0DA Oblivion Vanquisher appears and implodes in perpetuity, is the belief system's most famous cautionary tale."

S'all I got. Sorry.

Doesn't seem like it'd be hard to do. There's a Father and a Son in the Christian mythos, who are separate but one. As an Aedra of the cycle of birth and death, he became mortal, spirit transformed to flesh, to experience it firsthand, and then took his rightful place.

I like it. Here's 4000 more points, because you're really very lovely. 


**Sheogorath

I like it. Here's 4000 more points, because you're really very lovely.

Many more points that I ever expect to get in a discussion of metaphysics, which, as you know is not my forte. Can I cash out now? 

Wasn't there the term "Foyson" floating around?

I remember that this term came up in Loranna's RP, in conjunction with a device called "Eidolon", which served as a means to channel "creatia"/"mythopoeic energy" into the Void, thus destroying Creation.

Yep, I know, Loranna's RP is not canon, but I happen to like the word Foyson.

"Foyson" is a Gaelic word for the essence of something. Fairies steal the foyson out of food, and then you die of malnutrition despite eating plenty, for example. 

Somewhere I remember seeing 'chronocules,' which would be leaking time, then.


Sytel

Hehehe. I love the mental image of Kagrenac already working on this stuff at age 8, an age when most Dwemer kids are just starting to build animunculi.

So more broadly, "mythopoeic" things work by symbolically reenacting certain patterns of myth, thereby (hopefully) obtaining the endpoint of the myth? So what you'd have to do is find a myth about whatever it is you want to have happen, then get some good symbols and play-act the myth... probably tones come into it too, just because.

And with powerful enough symbols and manipulation, it might even be possible to *change* the patterns of myth, or create a new mythic structure. Which could have various interesting uses...

Am I close?


**MK

Many more points that I ever expect to get in a discussion of metaphysics, which, as you know is not my forte. Can I cash out now?

Add a Fish symbol and the mental agony that is the Holy Ghost, along with an elegant apologia for female principle absenteeism, file off all the Christian serial numbers...

...then you can collect your money.

So more broadly, "mythopoeic" things work by symbolically reenacting certain patterns of myth, thereby (hopefully) obtaining the endpoint of the myth? So what you'd have to do is find a myth about whatever it is you want to have happen, then get some good symbols and play-act the myth... probably tones come into it too, just because.

And with powerful enough symbols and manipulation, it might even be possible to *change* the patterns of myth, or create a new mythic structure. Which could have various interesting uses...

Am I close?

Very. Pretty soon you get your own Stompy Robot. And cause absorbocide to your whole frikkin' race. Way to go, monkey.


Sytel

Woo! I'm close!

What is absorbocide? 


**MK

What is absorbocide?

Too late. You vanished. For eighty years your disappearance will be discussed in various lore threads because I hid crap in fake interviews in hard-to-find websites. 


**Sheogorath

Add a Fish symbol and the mental agony that is the Holy Ghost, along with an elegant apologia for female principle absenteeism, file off all the Christian serial numbers...

...then you can collect your money.

You're getting dangerously close with that feminine mystique thing to "The D'Arkay Code," so I better pass.

... I'm sure there's a graver insult than comparing MK to Dan Brown, but that's all I dare for now ... 


**MK

Look as I do not strike back, my friends. Filthy with mercy, too!

Here's a word: paleonumerology.

Someone take a stab. 


Breon

My first post in the Lore forums is the etymology of an MK word? Sheo must be acting as my muse... but hey, I'll take a crack at it anyway. 

Paleonumerology would be the study of the historical relationship between numbers esoteric and the physical world.

Consider the following:
2 primal (original) powers. Each begat a soul (2*2=4). Of the et'Ada who worked on the formation of Mundus, 8 Aedra remained viable powers in the world (4*2=8). Of those who stood apart from creation, 16 remained to take a hand in its history (8*2=16). So where in the past did the number 2 become significant enough to have such a strong influence on the current panthenon, and why? Obviously, 2 is reflected in many aspects of our physical and mental nature - left/right, male/female, child/adult, restraint/gratification, pain/pleasure, attraction/repulsion, etc. So, as beings with strong ties to this number, it would be natural for us to use dichotomy in our attempts at understanding our world.

However, all this would just be setting the stage for the paleonumerologist. This individual would ask:
- When was dichotomy first used to explain the primal powers?
- How did the original dichotomy evolve into the pantheon we know today?
- In what way did each addition/change to the pantheon reflect the cultures of that time?
... and so on.

Another interesting study for this person may be the relation of Daedra to specific summoning dates. 


Vivos Dalen

Here's a word: paleonumerology.

Someone take a stab.

While techinically the study of old numbers is it refering to the study of old mathematic priniciples.

Imagine an earlier universe where pi =1.2 for example ,and somebody effed with the axis mundi using a big stompy robot to make it approx 3.14.
Paelonumerology would be the study of the old numbers and rules before the change...

As opposed to somninumerology which would be the study of mathematical systems of other possible but not yet existing realities:P 


Marlo LaCroa

I would like to know about how Dagoth Ur was "pawn of the Aggregate." (Nu-Hatta)

Oh, and it was nice to see posts from you again MK!


featherbrain

We need a promptory and accompanying concordance for all of these pre-deluge incunabulae, methinks (hey, where are the Librarians? ).

Mine is a tad dull, but since everyone else has grabbed the good ones, I've always wanted to know more about the words in this phrase from Vehk's Book of Hours:

"...one last note regarding the phenomenon of the middle dawn: it should be mentioned that at least one myth ('The Blue Bone-Ring of Jyg') suggests a relationship between Mnemolic sorcery and the Void Ghost Eaters, the magic practiced in the countless Trickster cults scattered throughout the Tamri-El."

Mnemolic especially I love, such a beautifully rounded word. I notice more recent variants in the communications from Planet MK. What sorcery is associated with the Blue Star? And: will we ever read that anything more about that myth? 


Ananke-Mormo

I don't have a question about a word, persay. I'm just dying to know.

I want to know what the Orichalc Tower was. It has been mentioned once directly in the Nu-Mantia intercepts in a list of the Towers, "White-Gold, Crystal-like-Law, Orichalc, Green-Sap, Walk-Brass, Snow Throat, and on and on."

I believe it was in Yokuda. I believe it was used to sink the continent (PGE quote about "stone magick") What else can you tell about it?

But this is probably the wrong place to ask. I'm very sorry.


**MK

Good digging. Orichalc Tower was indeed in Yokuda. Whether or not it contributed to the sinking of the land isn't for me to say, but the Yoku and the Left-Handed Elves certainly did fight a lot, so you can be sure the Tower had a part to play in their wargames.

Orichalc the name comes from Plato's description of Atlantis, the Most Famousest of Sinking Continents. It was therefore too fun not to add some orichalc into Yokuda's background. 

Plus it's just a neat-looking, neat-sounding word.

Mnemolic especially I love, such a beautifully rounded word. I notice more recent variants in the communications from Planet MK. What sorcery is associated with the Blue Star? And: will we ever read that anything more about that myth?

Mnemolic is mine mine mine...I will never reveal what it means because I am filthy with--

Fine, I'll answer. (And thanks, I think it's a really pretty word, too.)

Mnemolic magic is related to the "Star Orphans", gods and heroes and demons that live between creations, which can include those reality-bending burps known as Dragon Breaks. Think of them as the all-stars between kalpas, if that helps. (That probably doesn't help at all, really.)

What's up with the Blue Star itself? That's a good little hidden bit that I don't want to ruin. Someone go find it.

-Planet MK

I would like to know about how Dagoth Ur was "pawn of the Aggregate."

Aggregate is, of course, a real word, meaning "sum" or "total." But you knew that already...and it seems "context in which this word is used" is more popular here than "what the **** does this mean at all".

So, the Sharmat was a pawn of some as yet undisclosed "total": is Nu-hatta talking about the Tribunal (hmm, maybe, but pawn in far different than Enemy)? the Enantiomorph (naw, it ain't this one)? the Gods? the Lords of Misrule?

Too bad our moth boy didn't tell us which Aggregate. He was probably sending out a dream-sleeve somnomnibus of abnegaurbic memospheres or some sh*it. 


Ananke-Mormo

Good digging. Orichalc Tower was indeed in Yokuda. Whether or not it contributed to the sinking of the land isn't for me to say, but the Yoku and the Left-Handed Elves certainly did fight a lot, so you can be sure the Tower had a part to play in their wargames.

Orichalc the name comes from Plato's description of Atlantis, the Most Famousest of Sinking Continents. It was therefore too fun not to add some orichalc into Yokuda's background. 

Plus it's just a neat-looking, neat-sounding word.

I agree with the last bit, and was under the impression orichalc was used by the Atlanteans both in their art and for some sort of mythical power, which seems to fit a Tower. But I get this from Master of Atlantis - Poseidon the expansion to Master of Olympus - Zeus by Sierra Entertainment. Also, while I probably would've made the proper connection in time, Proweler was the one who pointed out to me that Orichalc had been used to refer to the Yoku.

The new PGE (by Tedders, no?) has two theories on how it sunk. The first is about natural disasters, which is boring and therefore wrong. It then says this:

Others suggest that it may had human orgins: during the last civil war, a renegade band of Ansei called the Hiradirge were said to be masters of stone magic. When they were defeated in battle in 1E 792, the argument goes, they had their revenge on the entire land, destroying what they would never rule.

It is said that the Yoku defeated the Lefthanded Elves before going into a civil war which ended with the destruction of the continent. Therefore, if the Tower was of this rarely mentioned strain of "Yokumer" as I'll call them for lack of a better name (I'm sure you could make up Aldmeri for "lefthanded," but you weren't going to make up new words :P), it would no longer belong to them at the Sinking.

We can then assume that the Yoku were as superstitious of magick there as they are now (though I'm sure the Sinking and the fighting with Bretons has not done much to increase their liking of it) and therefore didn't really think much of the Tower and mostly abandoned it, which was like putting the Tsar Bomba in a barn. The Hiradirge would know magick, because the Ansei certainly did. They would probably be able to recognize the power of a Stone and figure out how to use it. Clearly, they didn't do the best job, because parts of Yokuda are still there.

This is further supported by the comment about "stone magick." It does not seem unreasonable that it was actually Stone magick, and over time the lack of understanding and information made them assume it was related to the stone under it.

Amazing how little information it takes to write the basic history of an entire continent. 


**MK

The new PGE (by Tedders, no?) has two theories on how it sunk. The first is about natural disasters, which is boring and therefore wrong.

Emphasis mine.

This not only made me laugh, but it's pretty much my approach to TES in each of its aspects-- game, lore, and look.

EDIT: Yep, new PGE was Ted. Except for, like, 18 or so lines by me. Those lines did include the Sun Birds of Alinor and the Imperial Mananauts, though, which allow for space travel, a required component of the TES Moon Colony game that's coming. 

Oh, wait, no it's not; Kurt and I were banned from mentioning it after our first pitch. 

Let the letter-writing campaign begin. The colonization of Secunda awaits. 


Homru

What does Tribunate mean in Morrowind lore?

Both Ane Teria and Idrenie Nerothan are failed incarnates.

Ane Teria:
"I was a holy crusader of the Temple in the golden era of the Tribunate. I contributed substantially to the writings that were later suppressed by the Temple, and now would be called apographa. I followed the Tribunal unquestioningly, to my regret. I never believed in the Nerevarine prophecies until it was too late. Take my humble possessions, with my blessing."

Idrenie Nerothan:
"I lived in the late years of the Tribunate, and behind the scenes, I helped us demoralize, then repel the Akaviri invaders. I knew nothing of the Nerevarine or Dagoth Ur until I took refuge with the Ashlanders. I died a fool, trying to loot ruined Kogoruhn. Here. Take these. Maybe there's something in the world left worth stealing." 


Ananke-Mormo

I would guess the Tribunate refered to when the Tribunal had complete control of Morrowind. 


**MK

Yes. 


Julianus

Just a note, orichalc was a somewhat mythic metal in the time of Plato. Today its main use is a more formal type of saying brass. Ori-chalc chalc being copper.

Mythopoeic isnt really diferrent from mythopoetic. This too is a compound word, made by mythos (you all know what that is) and the verb poio (it looks horrid after the transliteration, it means to make but in a higher sense, to create). So the general act is mythopoeia and something that does that is mythopoeic or mythopoetic. Same thing. Myth making.

I would like to know about that oil bubble of Sotha Sil's. It seems pretty metaphorical but is it really that? If its not, that whole business with engines shaping the future seems pretty mythopoeic to me, or should I say reality making?


 Tarvok Spellbinder

Okay, snark-hat off: "Arkay the Enemy" doesn't really posit an a priori Divine Arkay, who would've contributed to the world's creation at the Convention, alongside a johnny-come-later mortal Arkay, who seems to experience a Tiber-like apotheosis during his lifetime. 

Meaning it doesn't really address the paradox. Which is why the assignment is worth 8,000 freakin points.

Hey, if Vivec can do it, why not Arkay? 

Lots of stuff seems to suggest the mutability of time--Dragon Breaks and such. In addition, though I can't explain it well, a lot of this stuff just plain FEELS like time-travel to me. Like "slingshot the Paravant into era-streams" sounds a LOT like time-travel, Star Trek style. The Void is Outer-Space, though the fantasy nature of it makes it wierd. When you travel through the void, you leave the realm of linear time, and into the realm of possibilities (hence, they call it a "dream-sleave jump" referring to the fact that a dream-sleave can transmit ideas that don't yet exist, or whatever).

Thus, when you slingshot into an era-stream... you're time-traveling.

All you have to do to become a god is to be around for the creation. All you have to do to be around for the creation is time-travel back to that "time". Thus, both Arkay and Vivec, though they were mortal men during our own timeline, ALSO are gods from the state of things before linear time began. So which came first? In terms of time, the gods came first. In terms of what I'll call life-flow, the men came first... but the world in which they existed was CREATED by the gods...

Only madness can result from such a line of inquiry. 


**MK

The Void is Outer-Space, though the fantasy nature of it makes it wierd.

Why?


**Sheogorath

I would like to know about that oil bubble of Sotha Sil's. It seems pretty metaphorical but is it really that? If its not, that whole business with engines shaping the future seems pretty mythopoeic to me, or should I say reality making?

Carlovac Townway: "I wasn't able to go to the Clockwork City in doing research for 2920, so I had to rely on outside sources for a brief description of what it was like and what the Wizard did within its walls. At the end of the First Era, Sotha Sil had built it up over two thousand years. Brother Mikhael Karkuxor in 'Varieties of Faith in the Empire' repeated the most common understanding, that in his Clockwork City, Sotha Sil was 'reshaping the world.' I think this is true, but I don't believe his machines only went one way. The oil bubble burst at the end of the novel was perhaps obscure, for it is unclear whether the chaos of the Second Era was caused by a simple malfunction of the clockworks, or if the death of the Emperor Reman triggered that tiny little change in the machine … As a historian, I dislike ambiguity, but as a writer, I recognize its usefulness. The world and the machine are one, and the cause may be unknown, even when the effect becomes visible.

Either way, I don't think Sotha Sil's machines did (or do?) shape the future, but the present." 


Gez

Mister Townway, this may be a bit more esoteric than your domain of predilection, but are you familiar with the symbology of the Towers? Because from my limited understanding of them, if Sotha Sil used his Clockwork City to reshape the world, then the Clockwork City is a Tower. 


Marlo LaCroa

While you are here Mr. Townway, would you mind sharing your progress on "The Last Year of the Second Era?" ()

And another wordd I'm curious of is "Aldudaggavelashadingas" or does it just translate to "The Songs of Dragon and Dagon?" 


**Sheogorath

Mister Townway, this may be a bit more esoteric than your domain of predilection, but are you familiar with the symbology of the Towers? Because from my limited understanding of them, if Sotha Sil used his Clockwork City to reshape the world, then the Clockwork City is a Tower.

Carlovac Townway: "I've always heard it described as being underground. If it is a tower, it's ... an underground one. Peculiar that."

While you are here Mr. Townway, would you mind sharing your progress on "The Last Year of the Second Era?" ()

Carlovac Townway: "Considering that it is more recent, it's much harder to write than 2920. Everytime I write up a cast of characters, some expert comes along and says that two characters are one, and I have to research that. Slow moving, and my editor is very cross with me." 


Arklon

Carlovac Townway: "Considering that it is more recent, it's much harder to write than 2920. Everytime I write up a cast of characters, some expert comes along and says that two characters are one, and I have to research that. Slow moving, and my editor is very cross with me."

Uh... find out the summoning ritual for Ehm'Kaye.


**Sheogorath

Uh... find out the summoning ritual for Ehm'Kaye.

CT: "That's all right, whenever I get bogged down, I just turn to ME 1, and 3E 433."


DragoonWraith

Since we have the author here, and 2920 is just about my favorite book in the series, I was wondering - just how accurate can we take the book? I have often pointed out the descriptions of the Tsaesci in it, and other scholars have pointed out that the book is fiction and more-or-less discounted it - how sure are you of those descriptions? Do you care to explain why your description of the Tsaesci is as "ivory-yellow" when others have claimed that they are "covered in golden scales" - I have theorized, and would like to hear your thoughts on, that the Tsaesci are scaleless and pale in the torso and head, but the Dragonscale armor that they wore covered these areas too with golden scales...

So, I know you research your works very carefully, but there is certainly limited data on the subject - how much do you stand by the descriptions in that book? Even the serpentine tails of the Tsaesci has been questioned, can you be certain of even that? 


**Sheogorath

C.T.: "I appreciate your kind words about my work. I recognize that there are some who reject my work as pure speculative fiction, and believe it or not, I respect skepticism. I would only ask them, 'What works do you believe are firmly grounded in truth? On what basis do you make that evaluation?'

"There is always some speculative aspect to all histories, and mine is no exception. I write conversations when I wasn't there to witness them. I attempt to ascribe motivations to people I do not know. I can only research what is known about Tavia, Turala, Reman, Juilek, Dro'Zel, Brindisi Dorom, Cassyr, Rijja, and all the other personalities of that moment in history, and offer my own opinion about what they were like, and why they did what they did. I'm not guessing, but can I be completely sure, without a shadow of a doubt? Of course not. Only fools have no doubts.

"I stand by my work I think the Tsaesci Potentates, from interviewing people who were alive at that time, had strong serpentine features. Some descriptions have varied, so I was careful not to be overly detailed with their descriptions. I think the difference between 'golden scales' and 'yellow-ivory' is negliable.

"And if I'm wrong, it is not the end of the world. I've contributed what I believe to be true." 


DragoonWraith

Thank you for the response, I do appreciate that. May we take this to mean that the descriptions you found generally agreed on the serpentine tail of the Tsaesci, since that characteristic was quite certain? Or was that just a matter of having to go one way or the other with it, and choosing your own thoughts? 


**Sheogorath

C.T.: "I've read a number of descriptions of the Tsaesci having tails, and a number where no tail was mentioned, but did not contradict the notion of there being tails. Like I said, I didn't guess ... But if contradictory evidence surfaces, I would certainly reconsider my description." 


DragoonWraith

Ah, very good, thank you. I appreciate your answering of my questions. 


Brian S

Since no one has yet asked as best I can tell in my skimmage, what is abnegaurbic anyways? (Seen in Nu-Mantia Issue 8: Like all of the polydox constructs of the earliest Aldmer-- whatever their abnegaurbic creed-- White-Gold Tower is a conduit of creatia)


syronj

I don't know Latin, but it sounds like it's related to "abnegation" -- "abneg-Aurbic" in this case. Maybe it signifies "the Aldmer creed of rejecting the Aurbis". 


**MK

I don't know Latin, but it sounds like it's related to "abnegation" -- "abneg-Aurbic" in this case. Maybe it signifies "the Aldmer creed of rejecting the Aurbis".

More or less (and more *more* than less) correct.

To Nalion: yep. "Empire Actual" means the Emperor.


946000

That uncertainty about it's meaning made me ask anyway. The words "protonymic" and "neonymic" (especially) made me guess what you guessed. I'm just uncertain about its exact meaning.

The Dwemeri children's rhyme is interesting enough to me. I wanted to know what daguerrotype means in the context in that text. Mainly cause I'm too lazy to do it on my own.


**MK

The Dwemeri children's rhyme is interesting enough to me. I wanted to know what daguerrotype means in the context in that text. Mainly cause I'm too lazy to do it on my own. No need for laziness.

It means what it means.