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If the Empire gets attacked by the Thalmor again, they will lose!

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Statistically they cant survive another attack because of the civil war in Skyrim. No matter what the outcome in Skyrim, the Empire would be exponentially weaker. The Thalmor succeeded in their ultimate goal which was distract the Empire so they can attack again (most likely). I think this is where we see the Empire fall!

What do you think? Discuss.

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The Empire is trying to rebuild and throw off the Thalmor but the thalmor don't want that to happen thats why their sleeper agent Ulfric started the Rebellion in the North so that the Empire can waste resources and manpower on it and also cut out the main source of Talos worship.

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Ezreal Ulfric isn't really a sleeper agent, he in no way serves the Thalmor. They saw him as a potential asset and still have his file but he is too uncooperative with the Thalmor to be of any use. The Thalmor want a civil war, yes, but they don't want it to end, they want a continual stalemate to occupy the Empire. They didn't care much for an actual end to the war, and didn't expect the Dragonborn to come in and screw things up. 

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No one likes the Thalmor. If they were to attack the Empire again the nords would help, even with the cicvil war going on. They called a truse for dragons, they would do the same for the thalmor.

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I'd say let the Nords stay independant, High Rock is still supportive the Empire (even though they have not helped in the civil war). If it were up to I, I would let Skyrim be independant so long as they give us trade rights and a military alliance against the Dominion. After the Dominion is pushed back into Summerset Isle or completly exterminated from where it began, then I'll declare a war apon each of the independant states.

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I agree with Magma Mage and Tailin Sero. 

1.) No evidence suggests a motive as to why Ulfric would be an agent to the Thalmor. If he were, why would he hide it? The Nords and the AD could easily wipe most races off the planet, good thing the Nords aren't corrupt. 

2.) If the Thalmor showed their noses anywhere near Skyrim (which they would have to do if they plan to defeat the Emire as the Inperials would flee into Skyrim as they already have a legion garrisoned there.) the Nords would stop attacking the Empire and attack  the AD, whether a formal truce or treaty was formed or not. 

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Though not an agent, and until direct contact was complicated after Markarth Side, he was cooperative with his handler... who happens to be Elenwyn. Was he ensorcelled? The same dossier implies Elenwyn was present at Helgan, to fabricate an escape for Ulfric. He remains a dormant asset.

Other documents alluded to mind control techniques. I don't fault Ulfric with spying. He was tragically deceived to believe, no doubt thru Nordic feelings of self importance, he'd compromised the Empire.

 

The combined testimonies of these documents prove Elenwyn has more than broken the Concordat: the Stormcloak rebellion was her baby. This was Skyrim's largest narrative flaw. We obtain these documents long before Season Unending, therefore we have knowledge of all this at Hrothgaar. If I was President, Elenwyn would have been exposed, and by my strong thu'um the rebellion reconciled. I would have met Tullius and Ulfric each in private, so they could weigh the evidence and my godlike counsel.

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Ulfric is unknowingly aiding the Thalmor. There is no doubt in my mind that Ulfric hates the Thalmor and would not willingly help those that would seek to do harm to his people. He appears to be a man blinded by his own ambition and hatred for both the empire which he once served and the Thalmor.

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You've no evidence of any of this though. The dossier doesn't mean much and even if it's correct it doesn't directly say that Ulfric assisted and the AD it even said he was uncooperative with his handler. He didn't give up important info just the simple stuff like who he was (which is why he became an asset...) The dossier goes on to say that a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided at all costs as well and even indirect aid to the Stormcloak side would have to be managed carefully. They just need to buy themselves time to recover because they aren't strong enough to war right now and they know it. 

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You don't need to be cooperative to be manipulated.

But damn, I love the intentional ambiguity.

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I'm not even sure the Empire and Thalmor will continue hostilities in VI. I think the War will have come to a decisive head between games, and the next will be the end of the awful fighting, with VII being the settlement of Akavir.

@Bamitzcayden : The dossier does say direct contact was lost after Markarth SIde, and that up to that point, he was cooperative, implying he was gulled into cooperation, ensorcelled by his handler, and even tried to use Elenwyn to advance his agenda. But Ima let him the benefit of a doubt, and say the Bear was in a Rage Spell.

Like Prow says, its all vague. The game doesn't allow me to investigate for evidence, so of course I have no evidence. I'm tied to BGS' predefined parameters, to the extent the story allows. No evidence isn't evidence of no evidence. I'm not saying Ulfric's father was an elf and the two slept with Elenwyn.

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LiquidHurlant wrote:
 slept with Elenwyn.

You know, Ulfric and Elenwyn's interaction at High Hrothgar wasn't unlike a recently divorced couple.

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I can't figure Dominion culture out. Alinor and her vitrified policies resemble the One State of Zamyatyn's We. There's even a Benefactor in Aetherius, who I personally take to be Auriel. On the other hand, Tahlmor terrorism and their sorcerous seductions of Freedom from the old ways resemble the MEPHI. Its as if the Serapion Beautiful (below) became the Thalmor... Elenwyn could be a powerful seductress.

A darker side of this movement, however, is exhibited by a shadowy group who call themselves the Beautiful. Originally a salon for artists with the reasonable philosophy that Summerset must let go of its past in order to move forward, the Beautiful became a revolutionary gang dedicated to the destruction of the greatest monuments of Altmer civilizations. The Crystal Tower was naturally an early target, and fortunately attempts against it have failed, but many other great, ancient sculptures and emblems of the past have been vandalized. Lately, the Beautiful have turned their attention to living symbols of the Isle, the royalty of Summerset. The particularly gruesome murder of the daughter of the King of Shimmerene has horrified and outraged the public.

Maybe I do need to play ESO.

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Those iconoclasts? Nah, the Thalmor remind me of their response. Radicals never fail to bring out their opposite number.

ESO does touch on the Thalmor though, as an organization, and a similarly-minded group before they were called as such. I can't remember what they're called, though.

Edit: They're called the Veiled Heritance.

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LiquidHurlant wrote:

Maybe I do need to play ESO.

That wouldn't really matter. The AD in ESO is different than the AD during Skyrim and the Great War. As I recall there were 3(?) different AD's through outTamrielic history. Each one having thosing to do with the other.

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If they didn't have anything out of common, then I wouldn't be curious enough to play ESO. I'm curious about the new Thalmor, their assassination of Crystal Law sets them apart from the CE Dominion, but the PGE also described a Dominion similar enough to Skyrim's: they both Drag Tamriel, looking for the One; they're based in Alinor, comprised of the same dominions; and they're anti-monarchical, One Statists whose Freedom is Unfreedom.

Our gods are here, below, with us (Phynaster a formula, Lilandril a city) - in the Bureau, the kitchen, the foundry, the toilet: the gods have become like us. Ergo, we have become as the gods.

And we shall come to you, my unknown readers! To make your life as divinely rational as ours. And if you refuse to understand we bring you the Benefactor's infallible happiness, we shall be forced to accomplish happiness by our Bell.

The Altmer craft with their ancestors vitrified souls.