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I would like to create ebook versions of... well how about everything for a start?

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Hello everyone!

I'm a very new member but old TES fan and admirer of the Imperial Library. Also a librarian by trade, and an ebook enthusiast.

With the release of TESO I (and probably many others) have felt the need to plunge into the lore again. To that effect, I wanted to complete my little home-made Daggerfall ebook with an omnibus of all the in-game books. Very quickly, a few things became obvious to me:

* I would need to get access to the different texts in a format that would be more easy to convert than a simple copy/paste from every single page.

* You, the Imperial Library people, have done an amazing job of collecting, categorizing and annotating everything TES-related. Can anyone look at the Corpus Tamrielicum without squealing with glee? I didn't think so. Any project involving TES lore cannot be done without involving you even in the tiniest capacity if one wants to make anything worthwhile.

* It seems that the idea is not entirely unheard of in this community but has been abandoned because of (as far as I can tell) technical issues. I happen to be rather familiar with the technical aspects involved with making an ebook - I know my way around html and css, RegEx, Calibre and Sigil, and the different requirements of different formats/readers. I've already converted several books from .jpgs all the way to usable epubs and mobis, making sure that the code is spotless from page 1 to 700. And what's worse... I do this for fun!

So there you go, I got the motivation, the knowledge, the appreciation for solid librarian work, I'm healthily obsessive about the quality of my output... Think we can work something out?

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I would need to get access to the different texts in a format that would be more easy to convert than a simple copy/paste from every single page.

I'd be happy to provide this... if we had it. The books on TIL are all copy-pasted from the games themselves (or, in the case of ESO, from ESOHead.com). The treasury PDF might be your best bet for conversion?

As a note, I remember there being at least one ebook collection already out there (featuring the books of Oblivion and Skyrim, I believe). I'd try and track that down to see if it saves you some time.

 

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Most of these books already exist in epub and mobi formats: http://capane.us/dovahkiin-gutenberg

For some reason, they haven't made the books of Morrowind and, concerning Oblivion, they say that these books are also in Skyrim.

Sorry.

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Lady N wrote:

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I would need to get access to the different texts in a format that would be more easy to convert than a simple copy/paste from every single page.

I'd be happy to provide this... if we had it. The books on TIL are all copy-pasted from the games themselves (or, in the case of ESO, from ESOHead.com). The treasury PDF might be your best bet for conversion?

As a note, I remember there being at least one ebook collection already out there (featuring the books of Oblivion and Skyrim, I believe). I'd try and track that down to see if it saves you some time.

 

I have both copies. If you want me to, I can upload them for you to download.

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Lady N wrote:
I'd be happy to provide this... if we had it. The books on TIL are all copy-pasted from the games themselves (or, in the case of ESO, from ESOHead.com). The treasury PDF might be your best bet for conversion?

I have no idea how the back-end of a website works but is there any kind of way to conveniently get the source text in a file or series of files? The prospect of copy/pasting books individually from each and every page is a bit daunting.

I did a test with the pdf files conversion - that was kinda my plan B, involving first asking for your permission/blessing and asking whether to keep all the notes, to make 2 versions (one with notes and one without) to keep the different books organized in the same categories, etc.

 

ladyonthemoon wrote:

Most of these books already exist in epub and mobi formats: http://capane.us/dovahkiin-gutenberg

For some reason, they haven't made the books of Morrowind and, concerning Oblivion, they say that these books are also in Skyrim.

Sorry.

I saw this mentioned recently but whatever I found ended up in a dead link. I'm quite happy to see this project isn't dead! That's a good starting base to sort/add a lot of the books already, thanks a lot!

 

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aljady wrote:

Lady N wrote:
I'd be happy to provide this... if we had it. The books on TIL are all copy-pasted from the games themselves (or, in the case of ESO, from ESOHead.com). The treasury PDF might be your best bet for conversion?

I have no idea how the back-end of a website works but is there any kind of way to conveniently get the source text in a file or series of files?

Yes.

It depends a bit on what you'd like to get though.

For the books from all games, easiest way for me is to show you all the books one after the other. You can see that in action here:

http://www.imperial-library.info/books/export

I've limited it to 10 books per page to avoid blowing the server up. If this is something you can use it can be increased. I can also put in a filter to display the books per game.

Once you have that you can save the HTML and use XSLT or something else to format/transform that further

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Proweler wrote:

For the books from all games, easiest way for me is to show you all the books one after the other. You can see that in action here:

http://www.imperial-library.info/books/export

I've limited it to 10 books per page to avoid blowing the server up. If this is something you can use it can be increased. I can also put in a filter to display the books per game.

Once you have that you can save the HTML and use XSLT or something else to format/transform that further

 

This is absolutely perfect! The html would need very little editing to turn it into a proper book.

In the meantime I had some success with conversion of the Corpus Tamrielicum (actually I already have a close to finished version) but I'm not certain I'd be confortable copying from it for a variety of reasons and I think I'd like to limit myself to a less scholarly, 1-book-per-game type of file (at least at first).

I would only need to pull the files once anyway - once I got them copy/pasted I wouldn't need to abuse your server anymore. How many books could be reasonnably displayed at a time?

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About 450. There are approximately 1200 books in all games not counting doubles. That will fill 3 pages worth.

It doesn't include all the books from TESO yet. We're still adding those. Books are sorted in the order they've been added. So you could later on get back and add TSO as well.

For the sake of your readers you may want to apply some editorial discretion though. Most books are not interesting to read. Culling them would add allot of value to your readers.

If any of your discomfort with the Coprus Tamrielicum can be solved by talking to Zeph I can put you two in contact. I'm sure he'll be happy to help.

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About 450. There are approximately 1200 books in all games not counting doubles. That will fill 3 pages worth.

If that's doable in your side, I can't even fathom the amount of awful tediousness I would blissfully avoid! You have my eternal thanks.

Proweler wrote:
It doesn't include all the books from TESO yet. We're still adding those. Books are sorted in the order they've been added. So you could later on get back and add TSO as well.

That's a great idea. Somewhat tangentially, how does one contribute to submitting ESO texts?

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For the sake of your readers you may want to apply some editorial discretion though. Most books are not interesting to read. Culling them would add allot of value to your readers.

So far I haven't really looked past the data-collecting aspect so to speak. The editorial aspect is quite daunting (exhaustive or lightweight? accurate or edited? include notes? a lexicon? target newbie players or old fans?) and the main reason I came here with this idea.
But before I get on with existential questions about editorial work, that brings me to...

Proweler wrote:
If any of your discomfort with the Coprus Tamrielicum can be solved by talking to Zeph I can put you two in contact. I'm sure he'll be happy to help.

I would be quite content with just offering my services to Zeph to convert his work into ebook format instead of reinventing the wheel.
If you think he'd be cool with it, then yes I would love to be put in touch with him.

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aljady wrote:
Somewhat tangentially, how does one contribute to submitting ESO texts?

We tend to ask people to help and regulars tend to offer. You have to be known for a while though. You can work on your ebook first though.

aljady wrote:
So far I haven't really looked past the data-collecting aspect so to speak. The editorial aspect is quite daunting (exhaustive or lightweight? accurate or edited? include notes? a lexicon? target newbie players or old fans?) and the main reason I came here with this idea. But before I get on with existential questions about editorial work, that brings me to...

Well, honestly I don't think you need to go that far in. Removing things like the Writs of Execution and Scroll of the Wolf Ender would go along way. :P

aljady wrote:
I would be quite content with just offering my services to Zeph to convert his work into ebook format instead of reinventing the wheel. If you think he'd be cool with it, then yes I would love to be put in touch with him.

Ok. I've send him a message.

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I got a message from Zeph, thanks a lot! I'll be in touch with him about the possibility of converting the Corpus Tamrielicum.

In the meantime I got a message from a fellow wannabe-digital-editor on a-website-that-shall-not-be-named about this project. He would be more interested about picking up the "basic" game-per-game just-the-text version. From my existing Daggerfall ebook he made this version, that follows the categorization you're using on this website. He also asks for your blessing to use your material and structure and would be delighted if you ever wished to include those ebook versions on your website as well.

Which brings me to another question about the export page, is there any way at all it can be made to display the books per game, and in the order they appear on the game pages (i.e. Fiction, then Histories and Biographies, etc.)? I'm sorry I'm asking for a lot, but the poor fellow has been copy/pasting and ordering the content by hand so far and I fear for his sanity in the long run.

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Should be possible but it will take some work.

Who's this fellow and what's his website?

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Proweler wrote:

Should be possible but it will take some work.

Who's this fellow and what's his website?

This is the fellow. It's not my website he was referencing but just a cheeky way of saying reddit. :) My interest started when I wanted to check out some lore on the Argonians and though, "Man, this would be cool if it were in kindle format." I posted on reddit to see if there'd be interest and got some posts saying it exists but those weren't exactly what I was looking for. So, I just decided to do it myself.

Like he posted, I already did the Daggerfall books but one of the things I wanted to add were your Librarian notes. They offer some fun insight and info that other people would definitely find interesting. I can post it on here when I'm finished so you can check it out!

Proweler wrote:

About 450. There are approximately 1200 books in all games not counting doubles. That will fill 3 pages worth.

It doesn't include all the books from TESO yet. We're still adding those. Books are sorted in the order they've been added. So you could later on get back and add TSO as well.

I could definitely use this. It would probably help greatly for the next games!

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Here's the nearly finished version of the ebooks for daggerfall. Is there any more credit I need to give you other than what I wrote on the first page? I'm still working on what I want the index to be like.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/otcspv3vcr6cb2b/Daggerfall%20books%20-%20Bethe...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eokgory2z26hrv0/Daggerfall%20books.epub

Also, if you see any formatting issues or anything else let me know and I'll fix it up.

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Hey just an FYI. I'm travelling at the moment so I don't have the time to fix up a new view for you yet.

I should be done in a month or so unless some down time comes up.

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Hello, I'm new here, so sorry if I'm writing in wrong topic (and sorry for my english).

I've ended reading all Skyrim and Oblivion books in e-book format and decided also to read ESO books. Sadly, there were none in e-book format, so I decided to try creating one for myself.
I've compiled a collection of books from this awesome library except for journals, notes, correspondence and other sections. It took me a huge amount of time, so I thought I should share it with you, so nobody would have to do all the work again. It was originally done for my personal use, so it is with tags and librarian comments and in plain alphabetical order.
I've done it in .epub and .fb2 formats (although FBE tells there is schema error I have no idea how to solve it- anyway it works fine with my reader) 
If anybody is interested I can put it here (how to add files here btw?), but for now here are Google drive links

Epub - https://www.dropbox.com/s/43mba45qcm4bljk/Books%20of%20the%20Elder%20Scrolls%20Online%20-%20ZeniMax%20Media.epub?dl=0

Fb2 - https://www.dropbox.com/s/htyqz2u47rj8oos/Books%20of%20the%20Elder%20Scrolls%20Online%20-%20ZeniMax%20Media.fb2?dl=0 

Mobi - https://www.dropbox.com/s/yt0l4h0hzlgjc17/Books%20of%20the%20Elder%20Scrolls%20Online%20-%20ZeniMax%20Media.mobi?dl=0

There probably are lots of bugs and formatting to do, but lets call it pre-alpha:)

EDIT: Added journals, notes, correspondence and other sections, fixed fb2 format, also converted to .mobi (although needs some testing) 

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Thanks for doing that! I know several people have been asking for it, so I'll be sure to point them your way when I see them :) You might want to give this a link over on /r/teslore, too

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This is the kindred. It's not my site he was referencing but rather only a shameless method for saying reddit. :) My advantage began when I needed to look at some legend on the Argonians and however, "Man, this would be cool on the off chance that it were in arouse design." I presented on reddit on check whether there'd be intrigue and got a few posts saying it exists yet those weren't precisely what I was searching for. In this way, I simply chose to do it without anyone else's help. very important for ebook writer to pretend that information.

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