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That's very helpful! Thanks a lot! :D

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Hi Hrafnir, I've just come across your posts, very interesting and informative. I was wondering whether you could pm me please. I have a few questions to ask yourself, and a possible proposal that you may or not be interested in. Many thanks in advance, Tadnium

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Hrafnir, do you plan to continue this project or have you moved on?

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Hrafnir, major props to you and your work. The amount of time and effort you put into this is really amazing. Also, are you a part of any of the conlanging communities? Facebook, CBB/ZBB, Conlang Mailing List, Reddit, DeviantArt, or any others that I've missed?

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The Rancid: I'm finally back to this project. I was absent for a rather long time to get my life back in order, but know I have new energy and fresh ideas to continue this work.

 

Kondar95: I'm not (yet) member of any conlanging community, despite the fact that I've been conlanging for 14 years now. I've been reading several conlanging forums for years but I don't know why I'm not a member. I think it's time to join some or all of them.

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I found the official translation of Calcelmo's stone and have studied it thoroughly. The Dwemeris vocabulary and grammar went through a compeletely reconstruction. I already updated the new vocabulary into the article, and will update the little what is known of the grammar tomorrow, accompanied by a short pronuncation guide. The pronunciation is based solely on an example from the old TES game Redguard where the main character Cyrus speaks Dwemeris.

 

My currently unpublished Falmeris also received a huge update from the said official translation. I also went through all the official updates on Ayleid language, mostly from ESO, and updated Cyromeric language on this article. As a result of the Falmeris and Ayleid update, some word meanings in Aldmeris changed a little to fit the correct meanings in the daughter languages.

 

Finally, I'm proud to tell you that the Beyond Skyrim team for High Rock & Hammerfell mod contacted me, asking me to create several languages for them. Most importantly Dune Yoku (still spoken in some areas of Hammerfell) and Old Bretic (still spoken in remote corners of High Rock). For the same project I'll also create at least two forms of Nedic (Iliac Bay Nedic and Craglorn Nedic) as well as the Fourth Era form of Iron Orcish, and expand Reachspeech, Aldmeris, ancient Iliac Bay dialect of Aldmeris, Old Cyrodilic and Wrothgarian Orcish.

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Hrafnir II wrote:

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cool!

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That's great, nice to see more of your work! Beyond Skyrim made a perfect decision, I'm glad you're there. I recently became a writer for Iliac Bay: Tower of Dawn but did not really contribute much except sorting out the myths and legends of the cultures living on the shores of the Iliac Bay. You're doing incredible work with the languages, it's nice that they will be used in a project.

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Congratulations, Hrafnir! You're finally getting the recognition you deserve. :)

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The Lusty Dovahkiin: I think I saw your work on the Iliac Bay forums, and I found it extremely interesting. I spent hours going through it. Makes it a lot easier to form a clear pciture of the local myths, folklore etc., and I mean a lot easier.

The Rancid: Thank you!

Phew, I've been busy with the languages for Beyond Skyrim! Old Bretic is coming up well with quite expansive vocabulary and mostly finished grammar. As a side product the vocabularies for Aldmeris, Reachspeech, Nordic and Old Cyrodilic have received new words too, I'll update them in this article very soon. I have also begun to create the Yoku languages needed for the mod.

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Thanks! I'm happy someone found it useful. I still work on my own books and songs, because such things take a lot of my time... And I'll look for your work on Old Bretic on Beyond Skyrim forums. After the project launches, we could create a library of fan-made languages, since they are quite valid and based on official sources.

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A library of fan-made languages sounds a cool idea, could be very interesting indeed.

 

I can also announce that I've been given a permission to publish my Old Bretic made for Beyond Skyrim here in the Library, so I'll do that soon when I have enough time. I'll do the same to other languages I'm making for Beyond Skyrim when the project heads give a permission. These include two forms of Nedic, several Yoku languages and others. Updates to already published languages are also cumulating and waiting for publishing.

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I updated Nordic, Old Cyrodilic and Aldmeris with lots of new words today. In stressed syllables Old Cyrodilic vowels are pronounced long, so I marked every stressed long vowel in the Old Cyrodilic words. Nordic will get even more words tomorrow.

 

Update: Added more words to Nordic. Cyrodis (the classical Ayleid) received a minor update. One of the plural genitive endings was changed, and the language now has definite article. I'm personally not so happy about the definite article, but ESO introduced it so it's now part of the language.

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Not to be greedy, but those Beyond Skyrim languages would be extremely useful to the TES III province projects as well...

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Infragris, I'd be happy to lend my languages to TES III province projects as well, those I've made for Beyond Syrim too if its okay with the project leads. I'm creating these languages and keeping them as close to canon as possible so they can be used in mods, writing, roleplaying and so on.

 

Published languages: Nordic, Aldmeris, classical Ayleid, Altmeris, Alt Redoranis, Bosmeris, Old Cyrodilic, Riekling, Reachspeech, Dwemeris. Modern Cyrodilic too, but I'm not happy with the current version, I have to remake it.

 

Unpublished languages: Ald Dunmeris, Ancient Bosmeris, Ancient Cyrodilic, Ashlander, Atmoran, Chimeris, Deshaanis (Dunmeri dialect), Dirennis, Dwemeris, Falmeris, Kothri, Old Bosmeris, Old Ta'agra, Telvannis (Dunmeri dialect), Valenwood Aldmeris, Old Bretic, Iliac Bay Nede, Craglorn Nede, True Yoku, Dune Yoku, Classical Yoku, Old Redguard, small parts of various lost Yoku and Nedic languages, early notes on Old Colovian, Wrothgarian Orcish and Iron Orcish.

 

The Dunmeri languages are the result of co-operative work with another Library user.

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Are the Orcish languages anywhere near done?

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I am in awe Hrafnir - I didn't know your conlang work existed even though I've used the Library Dictionaries and the Internet Conlang entries for some of my FanFic characters to swear or mutter under their breath in dialogs. Maybe I don't know how to search properly but anyway I've noted your name as a future search reference.
 
I was really intrigued  with your Aldmeric translation of "Father of the Niben" since I had tried to fold the Lore and in particular the pilot Illio and his ship the Pasquinel into Coleridge's poem of the "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" - folding in some choice Aldmeric into the dialog between Illio (the Ancient Mariner) and the Oblivion shopkeeper Norbert Lelles (the Wedding Guest) would have been incredibly cool.
 
Thanks - your thread made my morning a more enjoyable experience.
 
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Lain4lyfe, the Wrothgarian Orcish, Old Orcish and 4E Iron Orcish are all heavily under construction, I'm working on them all for the Beyond Skyrim project. They still require more work, but are getting into shape. Is there something in particular you want to know about the Orcish languages, or just waiting to see them?

 

Baumgartner, good to hear you liked my work and equally good to hear you like to use my languages in fanfic! Just let me know if you need languages that can't be found in this article, they might be among the unpublished languages.

 

I still don't know when my languages will appear in the Beyond Skyrim wiki page or somewhere else, but I'll let everybody know when I hear something. Or maybe I'll just publish them here. I have several new languages waiting to be published like a form of Nedic spoken in the Iliac Bay, and some of the previous ones have been updated. Nordic and Aldmeris have both received vocabulary expansions and Reachspeech received a partially revised grammar and vocabulary.

 

I want to give you something, so here are some examples:

 

This is Reachspeech translation of the Briarheart chant used by the Hagravens:

Fruaith cone... craichach fesrithe... Im líachan, Nachbran... Cíare abh farain, Glíam Glíame mie. - "Heart of thorn... bones of the wild... in life, Forsworn... Rise from death, Blood of our Blood."

 

This is a Nedic prayer from ESO translated into Iliac Bay Nedic:

Aeitoir aman, ekhnatien owais methre, lamais methre, phrygioin methre anna. - "To the heavens above, we raise our eyes, our hands, and our hearts."

 

And this is part of a song in Old Bretic:

Ceth fredhio ta tewon yll ain ablach / Ael cheth an ta predhe imman?  
Oedho mael sa cimend han / San annath ewenath mathchlam  
Ceth fredhio ta tewon yll ain ablach / Ael cheth an ta predhe imman?  
San maillem duar charraes anne han / Immyn prannen crespain im beyth ab y taer anne  
Did this place change while I was gone / Or is this change within me?  
All seems so different now / I might not be welcome anymore  
Did this place change while I was gone / Or is this change within me?  
They might have forgotten my name by now / Still I feel comfort at the sight of my homeland  

 

And Old Cyrodilic (the Latin-like language, spoken during Tiber Septim's time):

Tresiae Hierae Alessiae Starmēte mōcarum Akatoshis ta Alessiae dum dāses dēthais antais. Āvecēte celmes pōlitae Obliviōnis, briscēte dāses tāsa āvante curcūlis sanguinārie cūridis dēis, ta gannēte dāses Alessiais ta sudēte: ”Signa ēgi īe dē cēdie, dē sae longe dum sanguis ta ardāria īnis ōnem formītai, tem tāsa sanguis ēgi ta ardāria cēdiem īe formīta. Cēdie dāsa signa Amulāta Rēgum, ta inter mīa cēdie starmantis Mōcarum, cāse ōna Rex Sēritarum, ta īo ōnit Rēgina Mortālum. Simūle adnervīt nēcem Corpum Mortālem, sae adnervīa nēces Sēritae Immortāles.

Trials of St. Alessia Akatosh made a covenant with Alessia in those days so long ago. He gathered the tangled skeins of Oblivion, and knit them fast with the bloody sinews of his Heart, and gave them to Alessia, saying, 'This shall be my token to you, that so long as your blood and oath hold true, yet so shall my blood and oath be true to you. This token shall be the Amulet of Kings, and the Covenant shall be made between us, for I am the King of Spirits, and you are the Queen of Mortals. As you shall stand witness for all Mortal Flesh, so shall I stand witness for all Immortal Spirits.'

 

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Keep up the good work! Also, I'm pretty sure you do, but in case you don't, we over at www.taagra.com have a discord, come and join us! (discord info is at the front page at the top left)

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First off - I can't tell you how excited I was when I found this... This beautiful brainchild of yours! I've been a private worldbuilder for over 10 years, and a conlanger for a little less (guilty - J.C.'s Avatar Na'vi language inspired me on the latter). I found you because I'm currently working (at a snail's pace) on recording a 'novelization' (read: fanfic) of the ESO storyline, and I have a... Thing... About being as realistic as reasonably possible. Including languages if, when, and where possible.

So. This? Striking gold, it is. Thank you so much for all the headaches, eyestrain, and carpal tunnel-like symptoms that I know goes into this sort of thing. Not to mention lots of time sitting and staring at the screen, wracking your brain for 'so this is that, and that becomes this thing, so that means these change into those when that kinda thing happens... AHAH - oh no wait dangit that's not right at all...' It looks like you've also been part of the work at taagra.com? Thank you for that as well, if so, and to all other developers - I've been using that site since I started on my fanfic, it's been utterly invaluable.

I can see from the last post that this hasn't been updated in a while, but it's still an amazing collection of work and love. I'd be ecstatic if I could pretty-please-with-infixes-on-top use this in my writing, both what you've already established and as a base for further word creation as I find need? Full credit for all the effort you've put into it, of course - to do less would be unthinkable.

If you're still plucking away at this, I've been chewing on some rough ideas on how mouth physiology - that is, muzzles! - would influence not just sounds they could make, but also sounds they potentially couldn't make. Or, alternatively, would be merely instinctually disinclined to use due to something like sharp teeth, or certain sounds being more natural to make than what humans would use. If that sounds of use to you, please let me know, I'd be happy to share what I have.

In the meantime - Abba bless you for all of this, and whatever your current projects or life situations involve. I hope we might see more from you one day soon =)

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This is truly amazing work and I cannot thank you enough for providing everyone with this.

Likewise I have a question.

Perhaps I am being stupid and overlooked it but did you list what Cardinal Directions are in Nordic? 

Obviously, North would be ''Nord'' and East would be ''Øst''.

What about South and West? 

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Do you have any more work done on the Riekling language? I've come to this for years and i always find myself looking over the section you have on them to see if maybe it was updated and i just now thought to actually comment and ask. I'm also a bit of an amateur conlanger, nowhere near as good or as smart when it comes to conlanging as you, any recommendations for someone trying to get more into conlanging?