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I have a question.

With Skyrim Soon coming out whats the story board gonna be about?

Obviously theirs gonna be a civil war in Skyrim, the Dragons are returning, and the Empire is formally but not technically dissolved.

So how does it all connect?

Who's the war between?

Will Tosh Raka be returning with the Dragons?

Whats the future of the Empire?

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If I remember correctly, the war is between the Nords who want to stay with the empire and those who want to be their own nation. If by Tosh Raka you mean Alduin, then yea. 

I'd say the empire will be as big as it usually is, meaning Cyrodiil +Skyrim and maybe High Rock. We're back to the Aldmeri Dominion in the south western corner, and depending on the events of the second book, Argonia might have gained big parts of Morrowind. 

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Hmmm. Thats interesting. I wonder if your gonna be able to pick your own side like in New Vegas, I know that Bethesda is bringing over perks so I wonder what else will be brought over from the Fallout series?

Back to TES. I never read The Infernal City but from what I learned in Oblivion the when Tosh Raka(Alduin) returns he will invade Tamriel. With Tamriel in its current state of ill affairs will the Akiviri invade Tamriel for the third time.

If you look at the history of Tamriel the Akiviri invade after the fall of every empire. And even though the Empire lives on the Septim Dynasty is dead and war is running rampant in Tamriel.

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Tosh Raka is not Alduin >_>

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Care to elaborate?

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tosh raka = akatosh = alduin 

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 You're right but which name one uses shows what they are obsessed with.

Tosh Raka is being used by those who wished for an akaviri storyline.

Akatosh for those who can't let go of an Cyrodiliic (ESIV: Oblivion) view.

Alduin is used by those who are interested in the lore of Skyrim.

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 i've favored alduin and shor since i got into lore, way before Skyrim was announced. I'm actually super exited about it  (even though it wasn't much of a mystery where the next TES game would be.)

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jakbo cordava wrote:

I have a question.

 

Yay.

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With Skyrim Soon coming out whats the story board gonna be about?

 

Skyrim, I bet.

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Obviously theirs gonna be a civil war in Skyrim, the Dragons are returning, and the Empire is formally but not technically dissolved.

 

Kay. Yeah.

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So how does it all connect?

 

I would imagine that, based on what we've been told so far, part of the conflict actually concerns the instability in the provinces and the decline of the Empire plays into that, as well as the metaphysical events of the previous four ES games that did some freaky space magic s**t to the universe and made the Dragon grumpy.

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Who's the war between?

 

"The time after Oblivion opened, when the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood."

 

Nords vs. Nords

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Will Tosh Raka be returning with the Dragons?

 

Tosh Raka never left. He's the Emperor of Akavir, and he's probably chilling out over there eating Tsaeci or whatever he does.

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Whats the future of the Empire?

 

I dunno man. My crystal ball ain't workin' so hot today. Some old man at Ghost Gate told me one time that maybe it's time for something new. Maybe there's not gonna be an Empire any more. Or maybe there's gonna be a whole new Empire.

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I have another question, the rulers of the empire where dragon born. so what does this mean for skyrim and your character being a dragon born?

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It means that your character has the soul of a dragon.

 

It means you may also possibly be a Shezzarine or at least mantle Talos in some way during the main quest. That's just wild speculation that remains to be seen. The statue of Talos stabbing the dragon seems to be a good hint though.

 

It seems to parallel the statue of Vivec stabbing the Scarab. Remember that one from Morrowind? In front of the Palace? I doubt the similarity is entirely coincidental.

 

 

All speculation aside we've been told by Todd that the Dragonborn in Skyrim has the soul of a dragon and as a result can use a variation of The Voice that requires the absorption of dragon souls and the learning of power words from ancient walls, which he can use to form powerful magic spells.

 

We know for a fact Talos was a student or even a master of The Voice, although opinions of how exaggerated tales of his life were vary. It's never mentioned if any of his heirs had the same ability. Martin was referred to as Dragonborn, but he apparently used his blood in a very different sort of way from the shouts we'll see in Skyrim. An equally powerful and impressive way, but it sort of took all his blood and an irreplaceable artifact. If anything it seems the PC from Skyrim will be much more powerful than Martin was, especially if he's able to destroy the physical form of the entity that destroyed Mehrunes Dagon's body.

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Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

The statue of Talos stabbing the dragon ...

 

 

Is he about to kill a snake or a dragon? Looks like a snake to me. Link blog.fileplanet.com/2011/03/01/skyrim-concept-art/skyrim-4/

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Bittergreen wrote:

Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

The statue of Talos stabbing the dragon ...

 

 

Is he about to kill a snake or a dragon? Looks like a snake to me. Link blog.fileplanet.com/2011/03/01/skyrim-concept-art/skyrim-4/

 

In mythology, snake (serpent) and dragon are synonomous terms. The symbolism here is Talos slaying the Serpent, aka Alduin.

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On the Note of Tosh Raka, he was a Tiger Tribe chief of the Khajiit race in Elsweyr. He was the first to reach what he would call, "God Status", by becoming a dragon. Once he did, the, I guess serpent-like vampiric race in that low region, have been fighting him, inevitably failing, and also the other tribes were fighting against the Tiger Dragon tribe. Judging from the Lore in the DLCs coming out for Skyrim, this new one on Dec 4th is bringing more Khajiit into the picture, and having maps of some of the provinces in Elsweyr as well. Alduin is the world breaker, so there shouldn't be any mix-up between Tosh'Raka and Alduin. The thing about Tosh'Raka though, over the centuries of his god-like dragon state, he doesn't have power like Alduin, but according to what I read (if correct) he was dangerously close to what Alduin is. After Alduin and Parthanaax, he would be the 3rd strongest dragon in all of tamriel. Arguably so, the last dlc may have you going to Elsweyr to fight Tosh Raka. In case for those reading this who doesn't have very much information on him, basically you have Alduin, yeah pretty big sized dragon, but take Alduin now, and multiply his size by 3. Tosh'Raka's intentions are to see all of Tamriel burn, and go on a worldwide conquest in destroying, and controlling what is left under his own rule. Again some of this information might be faulty, because I do not work for Bethesda or am apart of their story writers that make the lore, but this is all in my own opinion based on what I know about the lore of Tosh'Raka.

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Exactly lol, Tosh Raka is 3 times bigger that alduin.

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Tosh Raka is from Akavir, not Elsweyr.

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It's World Eater. Not world breaker *-_-,

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.....

 

That was some impressive necromancy. I really wish you were less wrong about certain geographical things you claimed, but well played sir.

 

Also, it's kinda funny how spot on my Skyrim predictions were, looking back in hind sight.

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I am hoping for the next game to have something to do with Akavir. I seriously hope the Tsaesci aren't wiped out though... Furthermore a problem rests, the Mysterious Akavir is just one source. It doesn't seem to be a very accurate one either. They seem to base all of it's information off of hearsay and legends. Skeletons in Pale Pass had human like skeletons this isn't proof of any kind however, they could be just assimilated Nedes. 

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ChildofKyne wrote:

I am hoping for the next game to have something to do with Akavir. I seriously hope the Tsaesci aren't wiped out though... Furthermore a problem rests, the Mysterious Akavir is just one source. It doesn't seem to be a very accurate one either. They seem to base all of it's information off of hearsay and legends. Skeletons in Pale Pass had human like skeletons this isn't proof of any kind however, they could be just assimilated Nedes. 

 

Believe me. This has been discussed many, many, many, many times.

It's an apparent contradiction, but to be honest the lore is much more interesting that way.

 

IMO, the Tsaesci are far more interesting in the shadows than they would be fully revealed. As a plot device they work well when obscured with conflicting sources and the passage of time. I'm not sure I'd enjoy seeing one in the flesh because that would diminish what they represent to me.

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Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

Also, it's kinda funny how spot on my Skyrim predictions were, looking back in hind sight.

 

Indeed. I have since championed your initial comparison here of the Talos and Vivec statues on official forums, rather than the early stance I took of the Snake representing Alduin. It makes sense that both Talos and Vivec (and the ambitions of MD for that matter) have similar ties to Lorkhan's divinity, stealing/co-opting his power and taking his place.

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Of course, you could technically make it something more mundane, like the snake representing the Akaviri Potentates or something. Like an "out with the old/in with the new" thing. I like the idea of the Serpent as Shor, though. Slaying the old to become the new.

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Pilaf The Defiler wrote:

ChildofKyne wrote:

I am hoping for the next game to have something to do with Akavir. I seriously hope the Tsaesci aren't wiped out though... Furthermore a problem rests, the Mysterious Akavir is just one source. It doesn't seem to be a very accurate one either. They seem to base all of it's information off of hearsay and legends. Skeletons in Pale Pass had human like skeletons this isn't proof of any kind however, they could be just assimilated Nedes. 

 

Believe me. This has been discussed many, many, many, many times.

It's an apparent contradiction, but to be honest the lore is much more interesting that way.

 

IMO, the Tsaesci are far more interesting in the shadows than they would be fully revealed. As a plot device they work well when obscured with conflicting sources and the passage of time. I'm not sure I'd enjoy seeing one in the flesh because that would diminish what they represent to me.

I would love to see them, honestly I would love to see Akavir too, hell I don't care what's in the game as long as it's breathtaking, like always. Pyandonea wouldn't be bad, nor would seeing a tiny bit of Atmora. Is it possible that there is more continents though? Nirn is quite uncharted.

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I want to see all of Tamriel before we see any other continent. The provinces we have now really deserve to have their own game before we go anywhere else. 

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I want to see all of Tamriel before we see any other continent. The provinces we have now really deserve to have their own game before we go anywhere else. 

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I don't want it to happen now, I just hope to see more of Nirn in the future, with a Universe like the Elder Scrolls, Bethesda can do anything. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they were to add more Aedra in the mix along with more Daedric Princes, nothing says that all of the Aedra and Daedra are known. 

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New Daedra? Potentially.

New Aedra? No. And Talos doesn't count. 

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Double, N'vermind.

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ChildofKyne wrote:

I don't want it to happen now, I just hope to see more of Nirn in the future, with a Universe like the Elder Scrolls, Bethesda can do anything. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they were to add more Aedra in the mix along with more Daedric Princes, nothing says that all of the Aedra and Daedra are known. 


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Nothing ambiguous about how it has been portrayed in the past. Only way you get someone like Jyg is if he comes out of one of the current Daedra (notice we haven't heard from him again since).

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It makes me sad... I kind of like Jyg, he was evil in a way. He is a Daedric prince of order... of Stasis, of Death. Think about it, where he rules there is order, that means no art, no colours, no innovation. I just want to see big ol Jyggi again. 

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I don't know why I said Aedra, I hope new Daedra happens though.