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Explorations of a Theory: Blending Fallout and Elder Scrolls

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Hello all,

   I want to decipher a potential history linking the Fallout version of Earth to the planet Nirn in the Elder Scrolls universe. I have heard a fan theory about Fallout and the Elder Scrolls belonging to the same universe. Not only in the same universe but, in fact, the same planet. The coolest part of this theory is that Nirn is actually in the future and Fallout/Earth is in the past. I am a aware that TES lore is almost sacred to a lot of people so I wanted to say that this is just a fun project for me and I am sorry if this offends.

    So I have decided use some of my college education to see if I can flush out a potential link between these vastly different worlds. I will apply concepts I learned in my classes on: Ancient History, Ancient Religion, Anthropology, Astronomy, Geology, Environmental Systems, Supernatural Folklore, and Prehistoric Life. My Major in Art will, hopefully, help me illustrate some of my points in more then just words.

 

Here is a rough outline of how I am going to go about exploring the theory:

Step 1: Compiling all lore on the origins of Nirn and the Aurbis Universe.

Step 2: Compile a list of all the Races/Beings in the Aurbis Universe. Including their origins and characteristics.

Step 3: Examine the geography of Nirn and compare it to Earth. (Paying close attention to Tectonic plates.)

Step 4: Examine the Astronomy of Aurbis. Look into the whole ‘Two Moons’ issue at this time.

Step 5: Make a list of which areas of Earth no longer exist in Nirn. Determine what parts of Earth each race would have come from.

Step 6: Put it all together. Combine knowledge of the origin stories with the Earth/Nirn geography and lore from Fallout to fabricate a plausible broad-strokes account of what happened and how the races came to be. 

 

P.S. If anyone is interested or wants to help then let me know. It would be helpful to at least have someone to bounce ideas off of. I'm going to probably make progress at a slow pace as I have a lot of other things vying for my time these days. 

P.P.S. I'm not sure this was the correct board to post this on so If a Librarian wants to move it feel free.

Thanks for showing interest,

[ASNK]

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Interesting. Really. I think I'd like to help with this

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The first two are already done for you. Its the site you're now using. :) You probably want the fanfic/roleplaying forum. Its down the hall on your left.

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There's a better argument to be made that Nirn isn't even in our universe, much less is part of our solar system in the future. Whether it's a million years in the future or past, you're not going to change our universal physical laws on a whim, like you can in the Elder Scrolls universe.

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You could however make the argument that our universe is could be inside Nirn. :D

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I'd say the Elder Scrolls universe takes place within a black hole. There you can have physical laws that change on a whim and time run any which way you want.

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I am really liking Fallout 4. I feel like the devs are really behind this theory now. 

What I think is, the fallout era is before the dawn era. The technology the Institute creates goes beyond anything we can imagine. I mean if they can harness fusion so easily and create matter to energy conversion with transporters.. they can eventually create some kind of sensors that interpret hand movments and vocal words to initiate energy to matter anywhere on the planet at any time.. that's what magic is.. it's machines in space with sensors setting off energy to matter reactions whenever a magic user uses his spell. even people who die can be brought back though necromancy this way.. through energy to matter convertion. 

 

The institute messes around with the FEV virus.. and eventually that leads to all these beast races and goblins and trolls and such... I think the hist and the argonians... they are soemthing different.. i think they might just be aliens or soemthing.. but elves.. i think elves are the evolved synths from the fallout universe.. they say they are decended from the aedra... and so if the aedra are computers.. the elves are too. the humans are humans.. the orcs are like fev'd synths. since they were elves once.. the dark elves are elves that started worshipping deadra Ai.. the wood elves are half synth half human hybrids. the kajitt.. i dont know they're just cat people.. dont know if they are synths or human.. but i think if they are going with D&D tradition.. cat people are a kind of elf.

What I think happens is that all the humans eventually get wiped out on earth.. by synths and by nuclear bombs. and all that's left behind are these ai computers hooked up to institute and enclave technology underground. these computers have alittle bit of remaining human dna left in storage and they design humans over again. making the human races that will become the races of tamrael... they distinguish synths from humans by the pointed ears so that they can be told apart... no more synths desguised as humans.. the elves feel in their "Souls" that they have been tricked into living mortal lives as bipedal creatures. the humans feel the world is almost as it should be.. just because it is natural for them to be bipedal mortal cretaures.. so they create there more positive creation myths. execpt the yokudans maybe had more fist hand experience outside of the ai/aedra control back in yokoda.. because their myths are alittle more graphic and the metaphors they use really fit what happened.. i think the world eater thing might come into play as a sort of control... thing... kind of like the matrix... they have to reset the program every few millenum so they can maintain corntol over the knowledge the mortals have avilable.. lest they evntually find out the truth and rebel.

ok.. futher more.. the stars in elder scrolls are not the real star.. the ai/ Aedra built the firmament around the planet. all there realms exist right there up in the sky.. every planet is a god/god realm.. the space in between the stars is oblivion and the stars are actually holes to where the ai draw there power from.. some sort of solar.. fusion reactors that covers the entire planet..  beyond that firmament they built... are the stars we should be seeing when we look up in elder scrolls.  is that crazy or what?

 

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Yeah, the Elder Scrolls and Fallout universe are not the same thing.

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but you have to admit that bethsada put in clue that would make some peopel think it could be... doesnt mean it is.. but it's how the player sees it.. you know while walking through the mountains in oblivion the other day i came across a rock that looked excactly like a petrified junk car from fallout 3. and we all know that stuff in fallout 3 never really falls apart... it's almost magical itself... 200 years and those snacks are still edible.. 2077.. is pretty far off.. who knows.. you know what they say "any technology that's significantly advanced to us is indistinguishable from magic" 

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With 7.3 billion people on this planet you're bound to encounter just about any possible thought on any subject. It being such that we've got a built in preference to see connections where there are none its not even unreasonable to expect people to think that because a studio develops two games they're set in the same universe. But that fact that people do think such things does not mean they are so.

I mean, for the last 30 minutes I've been trying to materialize this medium rare stake, I can't think of a reason it shouldn't be here, by all reason it should be here but as of yet it seems to have failed to materialize.

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i mean i just like the idea... that technology could get to the point where messing with psychics and even metaphysics is possible.. that's what's interesting about it.. the questions that fantasy brings up are not always the same questions that science fiction brings up... i dont know how it differs really.. i mean.. we all want to believe in some kind of magic in the world..... but i think... the idea of figuring out how the "magic" of nature works is more interesting... could we turn our reality into something different? that's science fiction... and that's why i prefer science fiction to fantasy.. 

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if we think of our psychical selves as computers.... then we create computers that can do what we can do only better.. a computer that has access to a very powerful source of energy would seem to us almost like a god... we always assume those computers would want to destroy us... but maybe they would actually want to experiment with us to figure out the metaphysics of their own... the aedra are just as interested as finding out their limits as we are.. aedra like mara and dibella are very intersted in caring for us... they feel that that kind of energy is paramount... molag bal and maehrunes dagon might feel that only destructions and mutilation can yeild truth.. they all play at understanding beyond what they already know.

and yes i am aware that dibella is the goddess of beauty... but i think asthetics is related to well being in a fundamental way.. the more beauty and wonder in life the more it all seems right. 

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... The ES universe takes place in the head of a dreaming god. Fallout takes place in our universe.

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our universe takes place in our dreaming heads... the world today is very different from the world 100 years ago... and will be that much more different in 100 years from now... 

 

I dont mean to be a troll or anything to you guys.. this is an alternative interpretation.. and it's one that i think i am going to stick with for a while... i would like to explane it the best that i can.. i dont want you to abandon what makes elder scroll special to you.. 

 

actually what i need to work on is figuring out how this theory fits into like the empire, tiber septim, the heart of lorhkan, the underking, all these beings that seems to rise beyond their humanity and become something greater.. that's pretty cool stuff.. 

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Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Fallout takes place in our universe.

I dunno. Fallout takes place in what science fiction in the 50ties depicted as the future. Its as much a fictional universe as the Elderscrolls. Not that I agree with Rottings idea, there is no connection and fabricating one would be rather silly.

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ok listen.. play fallout 4.. go to the glowing sea...  tell me it doesn't feel like you are walking around  a primordial red mountain.

 

dragon breaks... i don't know how to explain that yet.. i bet that time travel will be introduced in an upcoming fallout game. wait are dragon breaks just a joke about people playing the game different ways millions of times? so dragon breaks are already happening in fallout...

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Proweler wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Fallout takes place in our universe.

I dunno. Fallout takes place in what science fiction in the 50ties depicted as the future. Its as much a fictional universe as the Elderscrolls. Not that I agree with Rottings idea, there is no connection and fabricating one would be rather silly.

Obviously it's a work of fiction, but it does take place in our universe. The only difference is time splits a little after WWII and the sci-fi stuff. And most of the latter takes place in the/our future. It's still our universe though. Earth, in our solar system, in our galaxy, in our universe, etc. 

The reasoning in your second sentence is like saying that Moby Dick didn't take place in our universe because it was a work of fiction. 

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Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Proweler wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Fallout takes place in our universe.

I dunno. Fallout takes place in what science fiction in the 50ties depicted as the future. Its as much a fictional universe as the Elderscrolls. Not that I agree with Rottings idea, there is no connection and fabricating one would be rather silly.

Obviously it's a work of fiction, but it does take place in our universe. The only difference is time splits a little after WWII and the sci-fi stuff. And most of the latter takes place in the/our future. It's still our universe though. Earth, in our solar system, in our galaxy, in our universe, etc. 

The reasoning in your second sentence is like saying that Moby Dick didn't take place in our universe because it was a work of fiction. 

well, the war actually starts in 2077... so really.. we have almost a century to catch up to them in terms of the technology they start off with in fallout.  not saying we will.. but... i mean... who knows what 2077 will look like... maybe people develop a retro fashion and so everything does go back to looking like the fifties.. maybe the commies will make a come back.. 

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Rotting wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Proweler wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Fallout takes place in our universe.

I dunno. Fallout takes place in what science fiction in the 50ties depicted as the future. Its as much a fictional universe as the Elderscrolls. Not that I agree with Rottings idea, there is no connection and fabricating one would be rather silly.

Obviously it's a work of fiction, but it does take place in our universe. The only difference is time splits a little after WWII and the sci-fi stuff. And most of the latter takes place in the/our future. It's still our universe though. Earth, in our solar system, in our galaxy, in our universe, etc. 

The reasoning in your second sentence is like saying that Moby Dick didn't take place in our universe because it was a work of fiction. 

well, the war actually starts in 2077... so really.. we have almost a century to catch up to them in terms of the technology they start off with in fallout.  not saying we will.. but... i mean... who knows what 2077 will look like... maybe people develop a retro fashion and so everything does go back to looking like the fifties.. maybe the commies will make a come back.. 

And then big stompy, nuke-tossing robots happen

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Rotting wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Proweler wrote:

Xarnac The Conqueror wrote:

Fallout takes place in our universe.

I dunno. Fallout takes place in what science fiction in the 50ties depicted as the future. Its as much a fictional universe as the Elderscrolls. Not that I agree with Rottings idea, there is no connection and fabricating one would be rather silly.

Obviously it's a work of fiction, but it does take place in our universe. The only difference is time splits a little after WWII and the sci-fi stuff. And most of the latter takes place in the/our future. It's still our universe though. Earth, in our solar system, in our galaxy, in our universe, etc. 

The reasoning in your second sentence is like saying that Moby Dick didn't take place in our universe because it was a work of fiction. 

well, the war actually starts in 2077... so really.. we have almost a century to catch up to them in terms of the technology they start off with in fallout.  not saying we will.. but... i mean... who knows what 2077 will look like... maybe people develop a retro fashion and so everything does go back to looking like the fifties.. maybe the commies will make a come back.. 

Fallout's timeline splits right after WWII, not after the great war. Fallout 101 here people...

How the future unfolds, which will certainly not be a stagnated, cold war zeitgeist from the late 40s - early 60s, has nothing to do with the ES Universe=Fallout.

Not to mention, in Fallout the United States culture never changes. No late 60's counter culture, no Me Generation, no Millennials of any type, no generation X, just the cold war to "World of Tomorrow" Epcot center aesthetic from the late 40s to 2077. If we were on that route it would have already diverged in the late 40s.

 

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if thats true how to you explain people with mohawks in fallout? 

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and all the minorities they let into the vaults.. it's like the fifties with out the racism or sexism.. 

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or rather the blatent racism and sexism.

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Rotting wrote:

if thats true how to you explain people with mohawks in fallout? 

... Are you being serious? Super serious?

You've jumped off into so many other tangents, half of which have nothing to do with each other, I'm not sure what else to say.

The Fallout universe is not the Elder Scrolls universe. The timeline splits a little after WWII, this is known as the divergence. From this moment until the great war ends, America is in a perpetual 50's - 60s, Red Scare zeitgeist. All of the technological advances, crazy sci fi and social changes (what little there are) take place in this timeline. It's still however Earth, in our solar system, in our blah blah blah. The Elder Scrolls takes place in an alien universe that is really the dream of a god.

Also there's more to Fallout lore than just Fallout 4. Which is easily the weakest entry in the series.

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i agree that fallout 4 is not the best game... 

 

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Then we can agree on something.

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but when it comes to bethedsa the more you play the more you get out of it.. they may have screwed up the character building.. the character you make can just master anything... it's really up to the player to set any kind of limits on there character... but there is alot to find.. bethesda put a lot of thought into the game.. and they are touching on some cool ideas.. i really like trying to stay out of combat... 

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Keep in mind that Bethesda didn't own Fallout from the beginning

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yep.. but now that they do own it.. do they intend to infuse it with the same level of depth as elder scrolls. i know that the obsidian team that made fall out new vegas was made up of some of the same people that made the original fallout. they've merged the worlds together so now they are one.. whatever happens in fallout story wise happens in the same universe.

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The same Fallout universe, yes. But not the TES universe

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maybe.. maybe not.

 

What I really like in Fallout 4 is the question of weather synths are people. spoiler alert. but when you join the Brotherhood of Steel. You get Paladin Danse as a follower. he tells you about his life and about his worry that synths will destroy humans.. but in the end you find out he is a synth.. and you go to find him.. and he says.. that he feels human.. and he beleives very deeply as he always has.. that synths are evil abominations and that you have to kill him.. if you refuse.. and if you failed the charisma check like i did.. he kills himself.. the computers in fallout are so advanced that they feel..