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 I'd like to hear more about Ysgramor, myself. 

 

Actually, having the old mythic characters from a new perspective sounds fun to me. Although new ones would also be welcome, of course. Some nice new Nordic Sagas to read, etc.

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CHEMUA, HOAG, et al., please, thanks. Skyrim has the potential to be ridiculously interesting lore wise, at least as much as Morrowind and perhaps more so (due to the cultural clash and transformations). If its not in the game you can bet it'll be the firs mod I get to making.

 

I'm excited :3

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I wonder what the word count on that is though.

Anyway, lets be optimistic and say they had 12 screen shots, and added 2 pages of text.

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Proweler wrote:
 

Anyway, lets be optimistic and say they had 12 screen shots, and added 2 pages of text.

I'd be okay with that!

 

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They cover art will be awesome
The first two pages will be a giant spread with the title to the game covering half of it. Then some smaller text possibly giving a little introduction to the series history.
Pages 3 and 4 will likely talk about the player character and the setting 'Skyrim' With one half of page 3 being all text and the other half being a character or art scene from the game.
Page 4 will have more art and little text.
Page 5 will probably start to talk about the story and backstory. This is where we'll see the first screenshot(s)of the game. With text squares in the corner giving little discripitions of the scenes. Another short paragraph and some art on Page 6.
Page 7 and 8, more large art spreads. Page 7 might have three paragraphs starting to talk about a in game mission, likely early on in the game, that has the player going into a town. Page 9 and 10 will have tons of more text. Likely talk about the villians or invading force. First mention of dragons here most likely. Covering whatever hasn't been covered so far.
11 and 12 No clue, what possibly couldn't be covered by now.
Page 13 and 14, probably mostly picture and art of the game, or screenshots with a little outro. If they do talk about something it will come to a close with the Dovahkiin or Dragonborn for effect.

Atleast that how they treat most of their cover stories... Though I've never seen one over 10 pages in awhile.

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     Im kinda new at this but I did come accross this in the Akavir section while reading the different documents and I found something that seems to me could be connected to elder scrolls V Skyrim and the trailers clues.

     The Ka Po'Tun entry from the Mysteriouse Akavir has some interesting conections for example they say that there was a single member of that race that became a dragon and that they were waiting for the time to return, please if someone could validate my reading or if im going crazy with anticipation id trully be thankful for it.

please investigate, Thank you

 

Mysterious Akavir resembles the other myths in the Monomyth.

 

Both feature a conflict between two races aided by similar beings. This conflict brought great ruin onto the world and eventually the beings were all dead or gone.

 

Specifcally the part of becomming a Dragon and having others try the same resembles Auriel's ascension.

So I don't think these are the Dragons you're looking for.

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I reckon it may involve Alduin and perhaps even the Akavir....

 

I have several reasons for believing this...

 

One of them is the rather odd and perhaps obscure reference regarding the Nerevarine making a trip to Akavir for no apparent reason that we know off. So really, the real question there is, why did the dev's decide to put this reference in?

This brings me back to what they did for the Bloodmoon expansion in which they very cleverly, and shall I say in a rather sly way, put a reference to the oblivion game in the expansion. The reference, like the one of the Nerevarine, is obscure but more revealing in that you get your future foretold by a Nord hermit if I remember right. This hermit doesn't exactly tell you about YOUR future, but rather whats going to happen in the imperial heartland soon...

 

Here's the reference that I referr too, by Oddfrid White-Lip - 'When the dragon dies, the Empire dies. Where is the lost dragon's blood, the Empire's sire? And from the womb of the void, who shall stem the blood tide?'... I'm sure many of you probably know this already, now lets take a trip to Mournhold...

 

To be specific, The End of Times cult in Mournhold which I believe, if the devs at Betha do indeed look far into the future for their great 'plan', holds much more information here about what may happen in V, even though it predicts the events of IV. Quoting some of  Eno Romari sayings, 'Our beliefs are very simple, dear friend. The blessed Tribunal, though once filled with glory, are no longer the gods they once were. As with the tides and Tamriel's moons, ALL cosmic powers will wax and wane. But, when gods die, it creates ripples throughout the lands. The passing of the Three will be a prelude to the end of this era, and the beginning of the next. The followers of the End of Times are making ourselves ready for this to happen.'

 

Another quote, 'We realize that the end of the era will bring many changes. We believe that the gates of Oblivion will open, and the multitude of daedra will roam this world freely. Some might tell you that this is a good thing, that we are descended from the daedra and it will be a return to the natural order of things. I know differently, though. The coming age will be a time of great horror.'

 

Note the rather strong reference to oblivion, but the next quote is even more revealing...

'The Daedra Princes are not our ancestors. Nor are they our allies. They will wash over the land, destroying all that man and mer have built over these thousands of years. The only protection from this scourge will be our true ancestors that have gone before us and watch over us even now. Many of our followers choose to participate in the Cleansing, to prepare the way for the rest of us. It is a sacrifice to be sure, but it is for the greater good.

It is a glorious ritual, friend %PCName. Our followers cleanse themselves of all of their troubles, all of their burdens here on this earth. They send themselves ahead to the ancestors, spreading our word, making ready for when we shall all join them in our fight against the daedric hordes'

 

While it is widely open to interpretation, you can tell that this is mostly in relation to the oblvion crisis that will soon unfold, however I also see clues as to what Skyrim may contain. If I'm right in saying that the oblivion crisis is in someway linked to the crisis that will happen in Skyrim, considering that this is following a chainlink of events, then when Eno states 'Many of our followers choose to participate in the Cleansing, to prepare the way for the rest of us. It is a sacrifice to be sure, but it is for the greater good', could this be perhaps a hint of the end of times, Alduin's return? Interesting to note how he mentions Cleansing and then shortly afterwords Sacrifice. Is he stating that the end of times is near and we need to make way for a new circle? He also says 'to prepare the way for the rest of us', now correct me if I'm wrong but thats a rather odd thing to say.

 

It could simply be all tied into oblivion, but I believe from the choice of words used that the events in Skyrim is indeed the true 'end of times'. That or he's just a raving madman and his madness has rotted my brain!...

 

However, I decided to take a closer look at the trailer and noticed something odd that nobody else seems to have mentioned, that or my eyes are playing tricks on me.

 

Do try to find the best quality source for this to work, freeze the video at 0.06 seconds, as the most important clues take place right at the start. Now look at the centre of the screen, just slightly above the head of the middle figure (one with his arms raised). Now move your eyes to the right of the screen slightly and you should see what looks like a mask. It's above and to the right, of the figure standing on the right.

 

Should see what looks like a gaping mouth, and then with some considerable spacing involved, two eye sockets... Take a closer look, and you shall see a snake that appears to be sliding in-between the eyesockets of the mask/face. Follow the tail, which is very very short, and you may see two slits at the end off it. I could take a screenshot if nobody can see it, but I can tell you this, it is clearly a snake once you spot it.

 

Akaviri reference anyone? I think so... :P

 

 

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Do you mean this:

 

 

I don't see a skull and snake at all, this is what I see:

 

 

Which looks alot like this concept drawing for the Anumidium (Actually more the Akulakhan) from Morrowind:

 

 

The slits seem to be a mechanical hook. While the other side is more a prod. It's more clear from a Morrowind screenshot of Akulakhan:

 

As such I don't think this part of the wall foreshadows what happens in TESV, but instead looks back at what happened in the past (TESIII or even TESII).

 

Another clue is that to the right of Anumidium and to the top left of Dovahkiin, there is an Oblivion gate below a pillar. I think the pillar represents White-Gold and with that events from TESIV. Another look back to a previous game.

 

Edit: Second Numidium/Akulakhan, not Anumidium.

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Quick thought: In the instances where the dragon emblem from the Akaviri banner is displayed in reference to TES V, the diamond at the top is missing. Every time I see it, my eye is drawn up there because the diamond at the top completes the overall diamond shape of the emblem, and without it, there's a distinct visual gap. It feels...incomplete.

What do you think...is this intentional? A metaphor for the lack of a figurehead for the Empire as a whole, perhaps? Or do you suppose this is merely a stylistic choice to rid the emblem of anything that's not connected to the body of the dragon?

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Well, is it certain it is truly based on an Akaviri design?

 

I always thought the symbol represented the covenant between Akatosh and the ruler of White-Gold (Saint Alessia, the Remans and the Septims).

 

 

Indeed, there is a part missing and I do think it represents that there is no ruler. I thought the missing shape looked alot like the large Red Diamond from the Amulet of Kings that represented (and contained) the kings. But then again a diamond isn't such an unusual shape so I might be grasping for straws.

Anyway, now that the Amulet of Kings is shattered, it wouldn't feature in the symbol.

Shattering the Amulet of Kings kept the Daedra out, but the covenant with Akatosh might also be broken. It was written that the Covenant kept the Daedra out, but it is only after the destruction of the amulet (and sacrifice of Martin Septim) that they actually are kept out (as per Oblivion storyline). I think the actual covenant wasn't about Daedra but was to contain the Dragons. In that interpretation I see the Red Diamond as a cork stopper keeping the dragons contained.

 

OR as you said it is just a stylistic choice. Now that I look at it some more, there is also slight change on the right bottom (clipped left wing?).

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The dragon is NOT an Akaviri banner. For the 2984th time. 

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 Well I'm eager to learn what the mysterious poem on the back cover says. And since BGSF explodes with "ruined FOREVER" whenever anything at all happens in any way, I'll avoid there for a while.

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Nordic cuneiform? <3 

 

I might try and translate, if no one gets there first.

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 Well we don't know what the lettering is, although according to the GI reveal article there'll be something about it later today.

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"Whine, whine, whine! I hate the cover! Who cares about fancy lettering! I want screenshots!!! AH NOM NOM NOM!!! Whine, whine, whine!"

 

Who do I sound like, guys? :D

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The dragon is NOT an Akaviri banner. For the 2984th time. 

Hold the snark, please. At least I'm not calling the world "Mundas."

My apologies. The Imperial Library's own "Guide to Akavir" suggests that it is at least of Akaviri design, in the "Heraldry" section. I assumed, obviously incorrectly, that it would okay to designate it as such. Is that document -- surely a source for information about Akavir to newcomers -- perhaps out of date?

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 Actually fancy lettering and in-universe poems is something I thought was missing from older games, being modern fantasy is "primarily linguistic in origin."

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Not snarky, just fed up with the misconception. Its Akaviri inspired (though I honestly don't even know where that tidbit comes from), but its not directly Akaviri. Thats the distinction many fail to make. If you did, sorry. 

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 This is half for this and half for the commentary, but look at all the people asking a question not two posts below where they were answered!

"It'll be on shelves January 14th"

"ruined FOREVER"

"teh leetzors"

"So when can I buy this magazine?"

Repeat. 

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Hey, the cover article said this poem-thingy is the first of a series of "Skyrim stories." Will we get the other Fights, you think? You know the ones I'm talkin bout. Some other Fights would be beast, but the ones we've got aren't even canon-schmanon, so maybe no new Fights!  I'm none the less psyched for more Nord legends. I think Skyrim's going to be a truer sequel to Morrowind.

 

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Ha! The Akaviri enemy idiocy is finally put to rest.

Eh. I probably ruined someone's enjoyment, but...I'll remove it outta respect.

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 I'm just interested do hear that the language is explicitly Draconic and that fact happens to be integral to the plot. 

 

And apparently Alduin is mentioned in the poem? Glorious. 

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"This complete language plays an integral role in the story and gameplay of the upcoming epic, and introduces an intriguing new facet to the Elder Scrolls mythology."

 

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/06/translating-the-co...

 

That's what they say.

 

Definitely, Alduin. But, come on. Are we really surprised after the Fights? To Mr. Kirkbride and Sload giving us hints?

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'We' aren't. Most others probably are (if they understand it). I think I'd have preferred surprise. 

 

This has the potential to be the most epic and meaningful storyline ever. Lets just hope it lives up to its potential. 

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Definitely, Alduin. But, come on. Are we really surprised after the Fights? To Mr. Kirkbride and Sload giving us hints?

 

Don't know where you get the idea that fag slugman knows anything about anything.

 

I mean, he does know things about things, but those are a whole lot more dangerous.

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Dangerous, huh?

 

Then, I'll wuss out and stay the hell away.

 

Lady N wrote:

'We' aren't. Most others probably are (if they understand it). I think I'd have preferred surprise. 

 

This has the potential to be the most epic and meaningful storyline ever. Lets just hope it lives up to its potential. 

 

It'll live up to someone's potential. Alduin being the bad guy is definitely a good sign that Bethesda isn't letting their more complex lore in the background. I mean look at the denial and confusion in the GI thread. They can't accept the fact that Alduin could be the destroyer. It's understandable that this is the first time they were exposed to multiple variations of god in a significant way, and there's a lot of mistakes being discussed. But, that kind of debate could be a potential wellspring for new people to contribute to lore.

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I hope it'll be a FRESH GAME lol

 

 

Took me waaaaay too long to come up with that

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 I'm also glad to see the more complex background lore become relevant to the immediate plot. It is funny to see a lot of people going around wondering at the relation of Akatosh to Alduin and what that means. This is one of the several reasons why TES is great fantasy, and not merely good.

EDIT: I also just noticed that the article called Alduin the "chief villain." So he/it is the antagonist. Facinating.

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Here's the translation that I did,

 

Dragonborn Dragonborn,

By His Honor Is Sworn To Keep Evil Forever At Bay

And The Fiercest Foes Rout When They Hear Triumphs Shout

Dragonborn For Your Blessing We Pray.

 

And The Scrolls Have Fortold Of Black Wings In The Cold

That When Brothers Wage War

Come Unfurled Alduin Bane Of Kings Ancient Shadow

Unbound With A Hunger To Swallow The World.

 

I think this confirms the presence of Alduin...

 

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KnightMariel wrote:

It'll live up to someone's potential. Alduin being the bad guy is definitely a good sign that Bethesda isn't letting their more complex lore in the background. I mean look at the denial and confusion in the GI thread. They can't accept the fact that Alduin could be the destroyer. It's understandable that this is the first time they were exposed to multiple variations of god in a significant way, and there's a lot of mistakes being discussed. But, that kind of debate could be a potential wellspring for new people to contribute to lore.

 

Sounds like it's time to get in there and educate the shit out of people.