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Was just gathering facts when i came across the following:

- Tiber Septim (man-god who started the septim's inheritance of the dragonblood, therefore making him dragonborn) was not from Cyrodiil. In fact, he was a nord.

Lets review, shall we...

"The elder scrolls told of their return" we have come to believe that this could mean an invasion by the Akavir.

"Their defeat was merely a delay" solidifies the above point.

"Till the time after Oblivion opened" the akavir would have waited for the oblivion crisis to end simply because they are afraid of the dragonblood (the septim line). That line is now gone.

"When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood" This is it... since we now know that Tiber Septim (Talos) was a nord, we can assume he was from Skyrim (much evidence points towards this), although we cannot fully count out the possiblity of High-Rock. Since the narrator says that they wil wait till after Oblivion and the splilling of blood by the sons of Skyrim, we can safely say that he is referring to the Septim line being done, having spilled the last of their blood with the death of Martin.

"But... there's one they fear. In their tongue, he is Duvahkiin. Dragonborn!" Tiber Septim (Talos) has been long associated with the dragons, as well as having dragonblood. He was the first to be called Dragonborn.

Any other speculations? I'm open to constructive critisism, so don't hold back if you think it will help further our knowledge about the game.

 

- Pentalic

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Sounds right. In modern terms, Dragonborn could refer to anyone from the empire though (the Nerevarine was called Dragon-Born). 

 

 

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That makes sense. I wonder though why Akaviri would be afraid of someone called Dragonborn (any other than someone with that name beated them up before). Hmm, Akaviri supposedly have their own elder scrolls too, I wonder what they tell to them.

"When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood" - what I first supposed was some kind of civil war in Skyrim but Martin sacrificing himself and ending Septim line seems just like that.

 

"But... there's one they fear. In their tongue, he is Duvahkiin. Dragonborn!" is, I think, the clearest clue to Akaviri since they have been beated by someone called that before. Is there anyone else who has a reason to be afraid Dragonborn?

 

Edit: Since this thread started as overall speculation: I believe that if Skyrim sets after the Red Year (and not too long after it), there will be lots of Nord-Dunmer conflict and it could be one main theme in politics. Or sideguests ;)

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According to the official Elder Scrolls Twitter account, there will be dragons in the game.

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Lady N wrote:

Sounds right. In modern terms, Dragonborn could refer to anyone from the empire though (the Nerevarine was called Dragon-Born). 

 

 

But was he (Nerevarine) the Dragonborn or does it refers to something different? I suppose that your source is The Lost Propheci and in the notes below it actually says that Dragon-Born (in this context) means that he was born in the Empire.

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According to the official Elder Scrolls Twitter account, there will be dragons in the game.

Hilariously, it's a response to another "cans i killz draggins?" question. Although notice we don't get a yes or no, only that they'll be there.

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Jeroic wrote:

 

Hilariously, it's a response to another "cans i killz draggins?" question. Although notice we don't get a yes or no, only that they'll be there.

Yep, and I made note of it in the other thread.

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 Should we be replying there or is that a "hard facts only" thread?

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People keep joking that Max von Sydow says 'dragon ball'. What the hell does that mean and why is it lulzworthy?

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Jeroic wrote:

 Should we be replying there or is that a "hard facts only" thread?

That's a good question...

We can repy and discuss things here and keep the other thread as hard facts only.

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Probably because they laughing at Dragonborn being pronounced like the Japanese anime "Dragon Ball."

 

Even if you get the message, it's not funny.

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I don't really like the Akavir theory personally. If the Akaviri were the main baddies then why put a bunch of dragons and no akaviri in the trailer? Because they are cool, sure, but all signs point to some form of dragons being behind it all. I suppose it could be Ka'Po'Tun attacking which in a way would satisfy the both sides but I don't think so.

 

I would bet on Alduin is waking up because of the other large scale events of the previous games, and the other dragons have come out of hiding to aid Alduin in a world eating.

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I think Nazz has a point. And Alduin eating reality is cooler than invading Tiger People (I know, that's a very contentious assertion).

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My argument for why "they" doesn't mean any form of Akaviri is the fact that the trailer says that no one even wanted to believe that "they" existed. Everyone knows that that Akavir exists and that it has sentient inhabitants: the tsaesci potentate, the snow demon king invading morrowind, Ionith, etc.

"They" meaning dragons seems much more likely from what we were given. Although, most people also might know that dragons existED. They are thought to be extinct by this time and  the Avatar of Akatosh is the latest dragon sighting to date. I'm thinking dragons certainly play a major role. What exactly that role is, IDK.

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 I think "They" could be Alduin or the Jills, in that context. Even if the mythology is there, wouldn't you rather deny the potential onslaught of a nigh-unstoppable force?

 

Also for the record: I just saw what I think may be the first "Skyrim will be cliche and Todd Howard is anti-Creativity" thread of the dev cycle! Who else thinks we could make that a drinking game and get drunk in about ten minutes?

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I'd just like to guess that Max Von Sydow's probably addressing the Elder Council in the trailer.

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 Yeah, people are guessing a lot at who the narrator is speaking to. Some people are trying to "prove" the Player isn't the Dovahkiin by saying that we, the players, are being addressed. 

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From the trailer it really isn't obvious who Dovahkiin is to the player.

But there are three options. Any others?

- Dovahkiin is the player character. Similar like the Nerevarine.

- Dovahkiin is an important NPC like Martin Septim in TESIV and the PC is helping him.

- Dovahkiin is a mythical or legendary figure we never actually meet.

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Well, I think they're wrong simply because the Player always acts. Even if the Player is a roleplaying nerd picking flowers in the wilderness, the gameworld doesn't trigger events automatically just to maintain that illusion.

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"You stupid little f*cker, do you even know what would HAPPEN if that happened, my dying and being unable to eat and the kalpa left to run forever?"

 

For some reason, I see this as the result of TESV. The world freed from Alduin's world-eating. There would be time for more technology to develop. There would finally be Void Orbitals and real Vehkships...


 

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huh.

 

Alternatively, its what we're meant to prevent. 

 

 

I hope all this speculation isn't going to leave us disappointed once we find out the real story :/

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Well, there are only two guesses that I'm betting on:

 

- The threat in the next game is Alduin.

- The Dragonborn will rule a new Empire.

 

Three guesses.

- Narrator Sydow is talking to the Elder Council.

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Mind you, Facebook people only.

 

Also I already have a beard. :P

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I also have a preexisting beard. Mine is ginger, which I think should earn me extra points.

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I have one already too.  Can I still join?

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I hate beards.

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Beards are face warmers.

 

I highly doubt the main story will involve Alduin. An event of that proportion would most likely bring about the end of an era, and as we all know its the very beginning of the fourth era. I think Akavir is the most logical idea with either the Ka Po' Tun or the Tsaesci being the invaders, even though if Akavir is supposedly to the east of Tamriel would they choose their point of invasion in Skyrim?

 

""First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel. " - Mysterious Akavir

 

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People with preexisting beards are more than welcome. Post pics of your bearditude to inspire others in their pursuit. 

 

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The man to the left of the dragon looks like he might be a tiger person. His mouth is wide open and breathing fire. Otherwise he has a freakishly small head with a big hair-do.

 

Also, the chant at the end isn't just gibberish. This is the best interpretation I've found:

 

For the king

For the king

For the sake of Skyrim

For our life, for our home

For Hrothgar's blood

For the Nords and the gods

For the sole single son

Dovahkiin, our king, who will dawn with fire!

 

Could be completely wrong though (especially "sole single.")