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Something else that is interesting and needs more study and comparison, are the Aedra and Daedra that we are familiar with and what most races in Tamriel recognize, and these other strange sounding 'gods' that we aren't that familiar with. Such as the Bosmer and Redguard beliefs. There is speculation and some of it convincing that these strange sounding Redguard gods and Bosmer gods are in fact the same Aedra and Daedra that we know. Just under different names. I for one believe this to be true. If it is in fact not true, then we have a whole host of other deities that are roaming Tamriel that we know very little about.

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That's definitely a Psijiic tenet. What bothered me was pixies. Maybe they're just sentient dragonflies, not tiny, flying elves.

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Could be. Unfortunately there just isn't much on them. At least I haven't found much on them

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They also mummified all of their dead. Seems like the same process that the Egyptians used.

I generally either like or am neutral towards TES:O lore, but this is one of the things I disliked immensely. The Egyptian parallels are too strong (re. obvious and un-nuanced) and unwelcome as a common desert/African trope. It just reeks of certain design narrative in my mind that speaks to ignorance of African history. Not that Zenimax Online is doing anything new - Bethesda has been doing the (even more stereotypical) Arab parallel since the beginning.

Not that there is anything particularly wrong with adopting ancient Egyptian or Arab culture as inspiration. I'd encourage it (the Egyptian influences behind the Nords, for example!); just do it in a way that is cool, refreshing, or edgy. Not in a way that'll make me groan.

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I do agree with you on that. And alot of people fail to even catch the Egyptian influence with the Nords, so cudos there!

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aside form the mummification, i didn't put 2 and 2 together. So, i decided to google it (to better inform myself) and i found this.

While reading i realized that there are actually many similarities between nords and egyptians, but something stuck out and actually/surprisingly angered me. It is when the writer says:

As you can see, there are a fair amount of difference. Most notably:

  • Vikings practiced slavery
  • Vikings were mostly farmers
  • Vikings went on raids far and wide

None of these aspects are present in the Nord culture and society of Skyrim. In fact, it’s pretty much the opposite:

  • Nords don’t practice slavery
  • Nords are famous as warriors and sailors
  • Nords generally stay in Skyrim, except when it comes to sailing for trade, and serving in the Legion abroad.

So, correct me if I'm wrong but Nords (way back) did enslave Dunmer and Argonians? And aren't Vikings famous warriors and sailors? And didn't Skyrim at one point control Cyrodiil's Heartland, eastern Highrock/Hammerfell, and most of Morrowind all at the same time? That doesn't sound like people who "generally stay in Skyrim".

If I am wrong, or not entirely correct please inform me.

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Wow, Thanks alot for that link. Your correct in some of that. Nords did venture down into Cyrodiil and into High Rock as well. They have always pretty much been at odds with the Dunmer but as far as I know they never controlled any part of Morrowwind.

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King Vrage the Gifted began the expansion that led to the First Empire of the Nords. Within a span of fifty years, Skyrim ruled all of northern Tamriel, including most of present-day High Rock, a deep stretch of the Nibenay Valley, and the whole of Morrowind. The Conquest of Morrowind was one of the epic clashes of the First Era, when ensued many a desperate contest between Nord and Dark Elf in the hills and glades of that dire kingdom, still recalled by the songs of the minstrels in the alehouses of Skyrim.

Their rule lasted until the Battle of Red Mountain, about 200 years later. The Grand Council's purpose was to throw out the Norst, who had named the place Dunmereth. The Chimer would soon oblige the past, for the curse laid on them by Azura, when they took the name as an honorific.

There's a Norst funeral barque in a dungeon on Vvardenfell. I haven't been in awhile and forgotten the name of the place.

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Boaz3579 wrote:
Wow, Thanks alot for that link. Your correct in some of that. Nords did venture down into Cyrodiil and into High Rock as well. They have always pretty much been at odds with the Dunmer but as far as I know they never controlled any part of Morrowwind.

They did. And a lot of Morrowind. Look at the Pocket Guide to the Empire, First Edition: Skyrim.

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Thanks, learned something new!

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You're welcome! That's what The Imperial Library is for -learning about the infinite TES lore ;)

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LiquidHurlant wrote:

King Vrage the Gifted...

Isn't Vrage like the thirteenth of Ysgramor's line?

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LiquidHurlant wrote:

That's definitely a Psijiic tenet. What bothered me was pixies. Maybe they're just sentient dragonflies, not tiny, flying elves.

Faerie have been on Tamriel, in all probability, long before recorded history, perhaps since or before the days of the Elder Ones. The tales of their mischief are found in every culture, in most every village, town, and city-states in the Empire. Alternately they are called Faerie, Fey, Illyadi, Sprites, Pixies, and Sylphim..."

So, like Sithis?

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Tailin Sero wrote:

If I am wrong, or not entirely correct please inform me.

The lore community has a tendency to overreact when it comes to things like this. To the point of being unfair and dogmatically dismissive sometimes. And doing so can make them seem blind to the apparently obvious.

Saying that "vikings" (not a term we should use in the first place) were primarily farmers is certainly true, but its also true of almost every pre-20th century non-nomadic culture that has existed on the planet. And while Nirn is magic-y and all that, Nords certainly aren't mostly warriors and sailors. Most are probably farmers - though this is an assumption because we aren't privy to statistics in lore. Likewise, although they weren't raiders on the scale that the "vikings" were in our world, they certainly didn't remain passively in their homeland. The Nords have been expansive since ancient times, although internal divisions and the stiffness of their opposition have prevented there ever being more than one "Nordic Empire."

Comparing fantasy cultures to real world ones has obvious benefits. And as humans have unrivaled pattern recognition - ultimately unavoidable. That being said there is a great deal of foolishness that goes on in this debate. This is largely due to the tendency to falsely equivocate perceived traits of various cultures. It might not surprise you that there is a lot of ignorance to go around. The author of the above link makes a good attempt at pointing the primary problem here in the Khajiit article. These traits assumed of both Romani and Khajiiti culture is not a defining aspect of their culture as much as it is the side effect of being a culturally oppressed and ostracized group. 

What most lore masters are hoping for, I think, is to impress upon people both a greater understanding of cultures in lore as well as cultures in the real world. These 1-to-1 comparisons can be like nails on a chalkboard when people more knowledgeable see people dismissing (or just downright ignorant of) the real complexities of a given culture. 

 

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Tailin Sero wrote:

LiquidHurlant wrote:

King Vrage the Gifted...

Isn't Vrage like the thirteenth of Ysgramor's line?

That's right.

Tailin Sero wrote:

LiquidHurlant wrote:

That's definitely a Psijiic tenet. What bothered me was pixies. Maybe they're just sentient dragonflies, not tiny, flying elves.

Faerie have been on Tamriel, in all probability, long before recorded history, perhaps since or before the days of the Elder Ones. The tales of their mischief are found in every culture, in most every village, town, and city-states in the Empire. Alternately they are called Faerie, Fey, Illyadi, Sprites, Pixies, and Sylphim..."

So, like Sithis?

er, well, Faerie are definitely nothing like Sithis. More like wisp mothers or ice wraith.

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Tailin Sero wrote:

LiquidHurlant wrote:

That's definitely a Psijiic tenet. What bothered me was pixies. Maybe they're just sentient dragonflies, not tiny, flying elves.

Faerie have been on Tamriel, in all probability, long before recorded history, perhaps since or before the days of the Elder Ones. The tales of their mischief are found in every culture, in most every village, town, and city-states in the Empire. Alternately they are called Faerie, Fey, Illyadi, Sprites, Pixies, and Sylphim..."

So, like Sithis?

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er, well, Faerie are definitely nothing like Sithis. More like wisp mothers or ice wraith.

...or like a Will-O-Wisp?

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Right.

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Skyrim 2

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So I stumbled across this video in my recommended section on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj-V9J_69sw

Posted on June 3rd. Seems like this might actually have teeth. Maaaaaaaybe.

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yeah maybe, hopefully.

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Fiore1300 wrote:

So I stumbled across this video in my recommended section on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj-V9J_69sw

Posted on June 3rd. Seems like this might actually have teeth. Maaaaaaaybe.

in the comments for the video someone named "Chris" said that it is a document made in 2015 or 16 (i can't remember which one o_O) and that it was altered to look like it was from 2014. someone else also commented after saying that we should trust Chris he's a doctor. And with 'logic' like that it could be fake.

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Tailin Sero wrote:

Fiore1300 wrote:

So I stumbled across this video in my recommended section on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj-V9J_69sw

Posted on June 3rd. Seems like this might actually have teeth. Maaaaaaaybe.

in the comments for the video someone named "Chris" said that it is a document made in 2015 or 16 (i can't remember which one o_O) and that it was altered to look like it was from 2014. someone else also commented after saying that we should trust Chris he's a doctor. And with 'logic' like that it could be fake.

so this is from 2 years ago...

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so this is from 2 years ago...

Yeah I had done a search for the original story, and it certainly seems like the 2014 "leak" was an actual story at the time. Not something retroactively created. 

Certainly lends credibility to the possibility of Project Greenheart as being the codename for the next TES. Although certainly far from proof.

I might be a bit biased though. Valenwood has been my top pick for a while for TES 6. Mainly because A) its time to return to an elven province and B) Valenwood is significantly different from Skyrim's climate to provide quite a different and new experience.

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There was also that rumor for Argonia. I really want Argonia ! :p

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Nakalololo wrote:

There was also that rumor for Argonia. I really want Argonia ! :p

Next time, next time.

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Nakalololo wrote:

There was also that rumor for Argonia. I really want Argonia ! :p

As cool as Argonia would be, that rumor was demonstrated to be a fake. It was traced back to someone operating out of South Korea, iirc.

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I would love it if they made Eye of Argonia. But I'll be happy whatever they'll prepare. E3 is tommorow, big day.

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No one could have predicted Nuka World 2 years ago. TES: Wild Hunt it is.

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LiquidHurlant wrote:

No one could have predicted Nuka World 2 years ago. TES: Wild Hunt it is.

Nuka World was just confirmed at the E3 presentation. The only doubt remaining that TES VI will be set in Valenwood is that Project Greenheart has nothing to do the Elder Scrolls and is a new IP. This is actually pretty unlikely though.

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well there is that skyrim remastered for xbox one and ps4