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Hello everyone! New to the Library... Just wanted to know how to get in touch with one of the owners. I'm really interested in getting the books in order by in-game written date. Is there a way to search or a project dedicated to this yet? Also, I was wondering if these books are compiled pdf somewhere.
Thanks for all your hard work!

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I'm really interested in getting the books in order by in-game written date. Is there a way to search or a project dedicated to this yet?

This isn't something we currently track, and it's not something that's available for 95% of books. To make matters even more complicated, there are multiple books where the date of writing has been retconned by more recent games. The Lusty Argonian Maid is a good example of this: in TESIII, when it originally appeared, it was stated to have been written around 3E 427. ESO, however, takes place in the 2E 580s and also included that book, with a retcon that Curio was plagerizing an earlier work. 

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Also, I was wondering if these books are compiled pdf somewhere.

Zeph's TES Treasury includes all the books up to Oblivion. I'm not aware of a PDF for Skyrim or ESO, though there's a few ebook compilations. 

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I wasn't sure if this was an alright place for this question, but either way here it is.

In one of the Volume's of The Real Barenziah, she lives in the imperial city and has a relationship with Tiber Septim. He refers to himself as 'we' and if I am not mistaken 'us'. If I simply misunderstood this, fine. But if the author, or Tiber himself meant something of this, I was curious for further details.

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This is either using the honorary plural form for Emperors (Emperors and Kings were often referred to in plural form, however it's weird that Talos himself is referring to himself this way), or a reference to the fact Talos' history was in fact made of histories of multiple men and the author is just referencing that by using the plural form. These were the first explanations that came to my mind, but I didn't really think about that before, so I'm curious if someone will provide another explanation.

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He refers to himself as 'we' and if I am not mistaken 'us'.

There is something called the "royal we." This is probably what was intended by the author.

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Thanks!!!

 

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In the The Wolf Queen Vol. 1 Potema Quizzes herself about various historical dates/figures. One such fact being, "When was Tiber Septim born? 2E 288."

According to the text this occured in 3E 80. 

This confused me.

The author is Waughin Jarth, I didn't research him for very long but I couldn't find dates for his life, or publications. The only explanation that made sense to me with my limited knowledge is that he must have written this book after the Warp in the West.

I was under the impression that Tiber wasn't viewed as a divine until after the Warp in the West. Therefore the blending of his deeds and Wulfharths/Underkings wouldn't have occurred until after the events of Daggerfall.

This being said, in 3E 80 wouldn't it be unlikley that Potema would think Tiber Septim was born in 2E 288 as he was not yet viewed as a divine and this was around 500 years prior to his conquest of Tamriel? 

This is my reasoning for believing the book was written after the Warp in the West. 

I know you all have a much greater comprehension of these events so I'm excited to hear from you.

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I have found that Montocai a First Century Sage of the Third Era is the actual author of the first four texts. This would mean that it was written prior to the Warp in the West and prior to Tiber Septim being viewed as a divine.

Prior to the Warp in the West, had Tiber Septim been credited for deeds actually accomplished by Wulfharth/Underking bearing the mantle of Talos? Could one possible explanation be that the date 2E 288 is actually a misconception and relates to Wulfharth? When Tiber bore the title Talos, during his lifetime was he already being confused/viewed as one in the same as Ysmir Wulfharth? I was under the impression this blending of men into one was a direct impact of the Warp in the West but it seems I was mistaken.

 

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Greetings Librarians and fellow scholars!

I'm currently occupied with investigating the Dwemer language. As such,
the Imperial Library has been of invaluable use to me. However, I have a
mission. Recreating the Dwemer language (I call it "New Dwemeris").
On my travels I have come across very curious findings that warrant further investigation and study. To this end, I'm currently writing a book on this in my spare time. As soon as I collected the needed information to make my next move into this discovery that I made, I will make a thread about it. For now, though, I'm looking for more in-depth information on the Dwemer. Anything really. From language snippets and vocabulary to history and culture, everything I can find. Would a scholar lend me a hand and guide me to information I can use? I've already looked at the elven alphabets and Dwemer language pages, is there anything else you can provide me with? Right now I'm looking into pages on the Fandom wiki and the UESP as well as the Library simultaneously.

Kind regards, Mzahngthulish

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Greetings Mzahngthulish,

Have you read the translation to Calcelmo's Stone? It is one of the most extensive Dwemer texts we have to this date: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/translation-calcelmos-stone

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Greetings Fiore1300!

Thank you for your kind suggestion. As a matter of fact I have already read and transcribed Calcelmo's Stone in its entirety. Furthermore I have looked at all written examples of Dwemeris I could find and wrote everything down in my book with attempts at transliyeration into multiple different systems. Right now I'm working on figuring out all the ruin names and attempt translation. But here's the thing:
While I was transcribing Divine Metaphysics and the Egg of Time, I noticed some very peculiar patterns happening when I wrote them down a certain way. And while I tried transcribing the ruin names into different systems, I also noticed something in the word structure upon which I might be able to establish a general rule for old Dwemeri writing. My point is: I feel as if I was on the verge of making discoveries concerning both aforementioned books nobody ever seemed to document before.
I will publish my findings soon, as I'm close to completing my Dwemer vocabulary chapter.

Now, what I'm looking for would be a list of all things Dwemer. Books, accounts, stuff written by the Dwemer, stuff written about the Dwemer, even spoken voice lines hinting at things, anything. If there was a complete list I'd be delighted. I'd even be happy with at least some dictionary that features more than a handful of words, even if we're talking about assumptions. I plowed through so many resources already it's insane. Shame the Academy of Dwemer studies is so outdated, otherwise I'd look there for more information.

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You've definitely poured over the Definitive Guide to the Dwemer (of course, also horribly outdated) then. I'm afraid I don't know of any such extensive collections of Dwemer lore collected in one place. The UESP and TES Wikia pages are decent directories to useful sources, but it seems you've done your homework and you've probably combed over those a while ago. Outside of that, brute force searches for relevant terms is the only way forward.

Your hunt for Dwemer lore does call into question the outdated nature of many articles here on TIL. Updating or overhauling them should probably go on a to-do list somewhere.

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You're certainly correct in that I combed over most sources. I'm still hunting for lore, but I have come far enough to maybe bring something new to the table. I have, on my travels, established 16 rules that I assume are true to the Dwemer language and I have looked at Divine Metaphysics and the Egg of time in a different way that may bring something unprecedented (or at least undocumented). I will publish my findings soon as well.

But yeah, I found most information I want, albeit from multiple sources. Thanks for your help though, I really appreciate it. :D

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Sorry to trouble you folks, I've got a question and it's driving me bananas. I'm pretty sure I read a quote fairly recently along the lines of (paraphrase)...

"The AoK is only locked off to the player so that means any npc can wear it. As it was in Manky C's inventory, the AI automatically equipped it on him. We didn't intend for him to wear it."

Does that ring a bell with anyone? I'm beginning to think I imagined it.

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Yes, that rings a bell. That's how the script works: the game only checks if the player is trying to equip the Amulet. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Amulet_of_Kings

I'm not sure about the quote. This doesn't really throw much into question though. Even though Oblivion was sloppy in departments, if the team didn't care Mankar could wear the Amulet, but they knew it would pass to him, then its implicit Mankar has a right to. He makes a big deal about the Amulet being "MINE" in his villain's monologue too.

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Od the Absent wrote:
Yes, that rings a bell. That's how the script works: the game only checks if the player is trying to equip the Amulet. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Amulet_of_Kings I'm not sure about the quote. This doesn't really throw much into question though. Even though Oblivion was sloppy in departments, if the team didn't care Mankar could wear the Amulet, but they knew it would pass to him, then its implicit Mankar has a right to. He makes a big deal about the Amulet being "MINE" in his villain's monologue too.

Thank you for the reply! Yeah, agreed that could be true. Although ESO has shown us that even those who can't wear it still have ambitions for it. He never actually got his hands on it but Mannimarco makes a big deal about the Amulet of Kings being his, too. Anyway, my question was not so much a desire to see if it changes anything as it is like an itch that needs scratching. Like, "did I read that quote somewhere? If so, where? If not, why did I think did?" Maddening :D

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Bull of Kyne wrote:

Od the Absent wrote:
Yes, that rings a bell. That's how the script works: the game only checks if the player is trying to equip the Amulet. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Amulet_of_Kings I'm not sure about the quote. This doesn't really throw much into question though. Even though Oblivion was sloppy in departments, if the team didn't care Mankar could wear the Amulet, but they knew it would pass to him, then its implicit Mankar has a right to. He makes a big deal about the Amulet being "MINE" in his villain's monologue too.

Thank you for the reply! Yeah, agreed that could be true. Although ESO has shown us that even those who can't wear it still have ambitions for it. He never actually got his hands on it but Mannimarco makes a big deal about the Amulet of Kings being his, too. Anyway, my question was not so much a desire to see if it changes anything as it is like an itch that needs scratching. Like, "did I read that quote somewhere? If so, where? If not, why did I think did?" Maddening :D


If I'm not mistaken, I think that might have been a developer quote. I'm not sure, but I remember reading that too. I think MK also decided to type up an elaborate excuse about it too. It think it said "something something Mankar could wear it because royalty is subjective" or something like that. I read it forever ago so I don't expect my memory to be accurate