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Proweler wrote:

It's described in the First PGE and fictionally in a Dance in Fire

Aye, but I've never considered there to be any association with The Wild Hunt and the undead before.

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Hello! I'd like to know and understand more details from the Great War. Are their any books on the Great War besides the book, The Great War by Legate Justanius Quintus? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. 

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Hi, and welcome!

I'm not aware of any other books on the same topic. Though I also noticed the search was broken. Fixing that now.

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Oh ok, I am currently debating over the topic and was just wondering. Thanks for the reply and consideration. 

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Does anyone know of any reliable sources which speak of the topic of the death of a god? More specifically of how influencial Shor and Tsun are and could possibly be? 

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When can i post on the forums?

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Bamitzcayden wrote:

Does anyone know of any reliable sources which speak of the topic of the death of a god? More specifically of how influencial Shor and Tsun are and could possibly be? 

The dead of the gods is actually a rather big topic in Lore. Though this fact is ill understood by the inhabitants of Tamriel, there is a fairly good internal and hidden consistency about it. As such you won't find any single one book about it. You could start at the Monomyth and the Disapearance of the Dwemer. They were looking to reverse that process.

Couple of things to keep in mind:

  • What is dead? For mortals? And what is it for gods?
  • The gods started out mortal until Akatosh | Auriel came bye
  • The gods became mortal again when they took part in the creation of the world. They died, became part of the world, lived on through their children and ascended to heaven. Either variously or at the same time. Go figure that one out.
  • What is worshipped now as the Aedra appears to be awfully dependent on prior believes. This suggests that after the gods created us, we created them.
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Othreloth wrote:

When can i post on the forums?

You've just done so. First posts don't show up right away to keep the false Dibellites away.

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Ladies and gents, can anyone shed any light onto this paragraph written by Xan in the work, "The Imperial City"?

Two statues landmarks the district, the statue of Queen Alessia in the south part of the district and the statue of Morihaus in the north. Queen Alessia is the first ruler of Cyrodiil Empire and the founder of the Nine Divines; while Morihaus is a pit fighter who led Alessia's armies in the taking of White Gold Tower to end the Ayleid Hegemonies.

Is the text saying that Mor is depicted as a pit-fighter or implying he actually was a pit-fighter? I know there is no answer to this question in terms of lore, but I'm curious as to the intent of the author and whether it was based on an earlier source or is just an interpretation of what is seen in-game.

I remember there being a quote from MK acknowledging the statue and the need to retcon (hell, I forget) but I don't know what the original intent for Morihaus was prior to the KotN content.

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Knowing Xan I would assume that he did indeed meant "depicted" and that does indeed seem to be an observation.

Before Knights of the Nine Morihaus was already known as a hero of man.

Morihaus (First Breath of Man): Ancient cultural hero god of the Cyro-Nordics. Legend portrays him as the Taker of the Citadel, an act of mythic times that established Human control over the Valley Heartland. He is often associated with the Nordic powers of thu'um, and therefore with Kynareth. - Faith in the Empire

And if I remember it correctly, the retcon was about the Lords mail. Having been Morihaus armor would be problematic on the account of him being a winged bull. The way it is described does allow for the possibility that it was armor made of his skin.

Lord's Mail. Sometimes called the Armor of Morihaus or the gift of Kynareth, this is an ancient cuirass of unsurpassable quality. It grants the wearer power to absorb health, resist the effects of spells, and cure oneself of poison when used. It is said that whenever Kynareth deigns the wearer unworthy, the Lord's Mail will be taken away and hidden for the next chosen one. - Famed Artefacts

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Thank you very much Proweler. "Taker of the Citadel" - the Thief takes the Tower. ESO lore has Alessia as the Thief, or at least implies it with her birthsign. What role would the Lord play in an enantiomorphic event? Are the Charges simply aspects of the warrior, like part of a greater whole?

It's annoying because now I can't even find that retcon quote but I swear I only read it recently.

The Lord's Mail shares some interesting parallels with Saviour's Hide doesn't it? Is Hircine the darker shadow of Kyne?

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Don't know about the constellations. At first appearances the Armor was named after the constellation because both vaguely do something that improves your health. Bit hard to say though why it is called such though.

Making things from the skins of others seems to be a common theme in the Elderscrolls. Be it regular armor, magical armor, gods or whole planets. So if there is a relation between Hircine and Kyne based on this commonality, I'm not seeing it.

But this is getting a bit off topic.

 

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Maybe slightly off topic true but that's an interesting insight into TES world-building history. If the artefact was only named due to a gameplay mechanic linking the two then we can see how far the setting has progressed because now we know from ESO lore that Mor took The Lord as his own constellation. That's pretty neat, I think.

To get this back onto my original question before I went off on a tangent, do you happen to know where I might find that Morihaus statue retcon quote? It's driving me pretty crazy.

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Alright I've got another one for the librarians. Does anyone remember in which book it is hinted that Tiber Septim knew about Paarthurnax being up on the Throat of the World but decreed him protected by Imperial Law?

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Bull of Kyne wrote:

Alright I've got another one for the librarians. Does anyone remember in which book it is hinted that Tiber Septim knew about Paarthurnax being up on the Throat of the World but decreed him protected by Imperial Law?

I am not aware of any book that hints at that. Though I have seen this idea brought up in the community a couple of times. I don't really think Skyrim added any new books about Tiber Septim, though I might be wrong. 

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Thanks Fiore, I fear you may be right. I had it in my head that there is a line at the end of a book or side panel like in PGE 1Ed but I have searched high and low and I reckon I was imagining it.

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Here's a question for everyone:

Have solar eclipses ever been mentioned in lore?

If there is, it isn't explicit. Doing a quick search for "eclipse" only yields The Sage and Heavy Armor Repair/Forging, both of which seem to refer to lunar eclipses.

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"The gentle warmth of the Sun is stolen, so now it only burns. Free the Sun from the Halls of Penumbra."

And so Aevar walked west, over the frozen lands until he reached the Halls of Penumbra. ...

When he was able to rise again, the Sun again warmed him, and he was glad for that. He traveled back to the Sun Stone, where the All-Maker spoke to him.

"The Gift of the Sun is the Skaal's once again. It will warm them and give them light."


Aevar plucks an eye from an "Unholy Beast" (I think this was a Graahl, but they could be Werwulf or Volkihar) and shatters Magnar's prison. Anyhoo, the sun was eclipsed in ice, and so the name Halls of Penumbra.

I never played Dawnguard, but wasn't there a solar eclipse, if you sided with Volkihar?

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Thanks. That should do...

You know what, I've never joined the vampires in the Dawnguard expansion, so I don't know either. It might have been some sort of eclipse effect, but I doubt it was an solar eclipse as we traditionally understand it (the moon passing in front of the sun).

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It wasn't exactly a solar eclipse. If I remember correctly, it was more that you shoot arrows into the sun and it temporarily goes dark

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Cordate wrote:

It wasn't exactly a solar eclipse. If I remember correctly, it was more that you shoot arrows into the sun and it temporarily goes dark

That might almost seem to imply you're doing something to fuck up Magnus himself, wherever he is.

The implications there aren't much less troubling than those of a traditional eclipse.

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Bibliophael wrote:

Cordate wrote:

It wasn't exactly a solar eclipse. If I remember correctly, it was more that you shoot arrows into the sun and it temporarily goes dark

That might almost seem to imply you're doing something to fuck up Magnus himself, wherever he is.

The implications there aren't much less troubling than those of a traditional eclipse.

The sun is a portal to Aetherius (made by Magnus) the arrow you shoot corrupts the sun. I don't know if this just shields the suns holy rays from harming vampires, or if it curses the portal changing it into a door to oblivion instead? (Like a super big oblivion gate).

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I remember hearing about a war where the count of Leyawiin rode a Khajiit, and that he was/is the only non-khajiit to do so. Does anyone know if this is true and where I can find it?

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Tailin Sero wrote:

I remember hearing about a war where the count of Leyawiin rode a Khajiit, and that he was/is the only non-khajiit to do so. Does anyone know if this is true and where I can find it?

I remember hearing this too, but I can't remember where for the life of me

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Cordate wrote:

Tailin Sero wrote:

I remember hearing about a war where the count of Leyawiin rode a Khajiit, and that he was/is the only non-khajiit to do so. Does anyone know if this is true and where I can find it?

I remember hearing this too, but I can't remember where for the life of me

was it the count of leyawiin, though?

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Tailin Sero wrote:

Cordate wrote:

Tailin Sero wrote:

I remember hearing about a war where the count of Leyawiin rode a Khajiit, and that he was/is the only non-khajiit to do so. Does anyone know if this is true and where I can find it?

I remember hearing this too, but I can't remember where for the life of me

was it the count of leyawiin, though?

I think it was

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why can i not see a picture i posted on TIL, when before I could?

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If you post a link to a picture and the original picture is removed, you'll no longer see it on til either. Can you tell me which post you're talking about?

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it was the character creation forum. someone was saying that they couldn't see the picture before, when i could.

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They're both pictures linked from FB. Don't use FB as an image host.