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klep wrote:

I'm trying to read up on the Great Houses of Morrowind, specifically House Indoril. I can't seem to find much on them though. Would anyone here be able to recommend me some literature?

 

Cheers!

Well, as Tailin pointed out, there is the volume Great Houses of Morrowind, which summarizes the Dunmer system of nobility.

The True Noble's Code describes the ethos expected of members of House Redoran, and the 'colored' books (brown, red and yellow) give some insight into Houses Telvanni, Redoran and Hlaalu, but I can't find much documentation particular to Indoril.

The Reclamations mentions that by the time of Skyrim Indoril had been all but absorbed by the Temple priesthood, but other than that I can only recommend the first pocket guide and the volume On Morrowind for meaningful information on this House.

However, as I said above, I'm not an expert on Morrowind and there may be information I have missed. I would like to invite any more senior librarians to append their knowledge to my own if they can.

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Thanks for the input guys. I hadn't read On Morrowind before, and it does mention a lot of Indoril lore, but nothing new. The Reclamations was a fine read, but as I am more interested in pre-Morrowind history it isn't relevant for me. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate your helping me out, but I'm sadly starting to think there just isn't much information about House Indoril.

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Sadly not. House Indoril had it's major holdings on the main land as you can see on the concept map of Morrowind. As wasn't in the game so it didn't get more detail then needed for what is essentially background decorations. What is in the game is its connection to the Tribunal Temple which is reflected in the armour the Ordinators wear. You could also have a look at The Art of Morrowind and see if there is any concept art that might help along.

Beyond that Tamriel rebuild might have done some creative sleuthing to flesh things out for themselves.

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My recent studies have brought to light the existence of a tribal race of beastfolk in Black Marsh known as the Lilmothiit. Does anyone have any information on them?

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Like Khajiit, but foxes instead of cats. I think they're mentioned in the pocket guides.

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I see. It also says that they were native to Black Marsh, until the reign of the Akaviri Potentate Versidue-Shae in the early second era. As a nomadic tribal group, they left little behind to study... Or did they?... My research will continue. Once I've compiled enough information, I might put together a report for the Library. Sound good?

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Sounds excellent. I look forward to reading your results.

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I'm very interested in this. I'll begin my own investigation, for personal use.

Also it concerns me that you, Adolphe, are walking around the library weary ragged clothes.

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Yes well... A guar ate my good ones....

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Good afternoon!

I am Marcus Rufus Flaminius, a wanderer and scribe of sorts.

As someone who witnessed both the Academy of Dwemer Studies and the original Whirling School a long time ago, yet didn't think to make notes, I would be interested to know whether the materials they both contained are still available somewhere.

I've heard rumours that contacting someone named "Proweler" might grant me access to "The Old Storyboard", a place supposedly containing an archive of the Whirling School texts, but that's about it.

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The Academy for Dwemer Studies is actually still up, it's being hosted by a french website. You can find it here

I'm not sure about anyone keeping an archive of the Whirling School, but you can still find it on the wayback machine. Just pick a date and see what's left. 

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Ha! That's what I get for assuming the worst. Thank you for pointing that out.

Aye, the Wayback Machine is what I've been using so far, but I was curious to know if the Whirling School texts had also been collected into some other repository for (somewhat) more convenient access.

And the origin of the aforementioned "rumours" is really nothing more than my following the link provided on this page and coming across this.

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You might have some luck in the forum archive. Allot of submissions and ideas for the Whirling School ended up in there.

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Flaminius wrote:

And the origin of the aforementioned "rumours" is really nothing more than my following the link provided on this page and coming across this.

I'll try and have that setup for you.

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Okay I can't set this up in a way that I'm happy sharing with the world yet. I can give you the posted content though. Unfortunately the link to megaupload doesn't work anymore. You could try and send him an email at pentaparadox@hotmail.com

 

Whirling School by Penta

Dec 8th, 2007, 12:26am

Does anyone still have the whole Whirling School archived?
 
I uploaded the articles I still had here [www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=IOM0A3Y4].
But these aren't the most recent ones.
 
Scouring the internet archive I found some working links to articles and related things:
 
 
About the Whirling school:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050305095004/www.whirlingschool.net/about.html
 
 
Lore:
 
Teachings of Vivec:
 
The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: The Temple Version
http://web.archive.org/web/20050224192453/whirlingschool.net/lore/lesson...
(you can change the 1 into another number to get the respective sermon)
 
The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: The numbered version
http://web.archive.org/web/20050226005458/whirlingschool.net/lore/number... e.html
(you can change preface into a number to get the respective sermon)
 
Cantatas of Vivec
http://web.archive.org/web/20050223205238/whirlingschool.net/lore/cantat...
 
How Beautiful You Are That You Do Not Join Us
http://web.archive.org/web/20050222182925/whirlingschool.net/lore/beauti...
 
Meetings with Mastery
http://web.archive.org/web/20050226005455/whirlingschool.net/lore/meetin...
 
Exerpts from the 'Book of Hours'
http://web.archive.org/web/20050224192642/whirlingschool.net/lore/hours....
 
The road to Cyrodiil
http://web.archive.org/web/20050226162818/whirlingschool.net/lore/road.html
This one is more recent than the one I uploaded.
 
The Tower
http://web.archive.org/web/20050226163023/whirlingschool.net/lore/tower....
 
The Trail of Vivec
no link available, a shame
 
 
Related lore:
The first few aren't very interesting. Only posted for completeness.
 
The Battle of the Red Mountain
http://web.archive.org/web/20050222182845/whirlingschool.net/lore/battle...
 
Nerevar at Red Mountain
http://web.archive.org/web/20050226005402/whirlingschool.net/lore/nereva...
 
Dagoth Ur's Plans
no link available
 
The Plan to Defeat Dagoth Ur
http://web.archive.org/web/20050420074609/www.whirlingschool.net/lore/de... th.html
 
Sermon Zero
http://web.archive.org/web/20050224192322/whirlingschool.net/lore/hidden...
 
The Sermon Zero Affair
http://web.archive.org/web/20050331051314/www.whirlingschool.net/lore/ze... .html
 
Hidden Words
http://web.archive.org/web/20050224192322/whirlingschool.net/lore/hidden...
 
 
Studies:
 
An Introduction To The Wheel
http://web.archive.org/web/20031216155928/www.whirlingschool.net/introwh...
 

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Prow: looks like most of that is existing texts :( 

I looked through my stuff from when we moved the library over. There are a few threads that are specifically labeled with the whirling school name, and some other interesting ones too. I just zipped everything up, download it here. Relevance not guaranteed. 

 

(also, reading through some of those threads made me feel sad and old)

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Yes. We were bright, young and hopeful. :)

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Comes to mind: Why don't we have those zip files on the site next to the easy-read version?

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A great many thanks to both of you, Proweler and Lady N!

I downloaded Lady N's zip archive and will start reading through the pages as soon as I can.

You might have some luck in the forum archive. Allot of submissions and ideas for the Whirling School ended up in there.

Is this somewhere in that area of the archive you had trouble with earlier?

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It is essentially the package N gave you. I thought we had put it up somewhere, but not all of it.

Loranna's RP archive also has a bunch of threads but they're mostly from well after the whirling school.

http://lorannarp.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewAllFiles

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Does anyone know where I could find a some books (maybe obscure) about the merethic area. not the mainstream ones, that is. The more ancient and obscure ages of Nirn have always fascinated me, but there doesn't really seem to be much concerning the matter.

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To my knowledge there is almost nothing from the Merethic.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skorm-snow-striders-journal

There might be some in the ESO Oline books though.

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Hello librarians and scholars, I might be going mad but I thought there was a developer comment about why Bosmer men were intentionally ugly but the women were not, but I can't seem to find it.

Does ring any bells with you?

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That sounds like Morrowind business to me, but I'm afraid I'm not entirely familiar with that installment.

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It definitely rings bells, but it doesn't seem like it was backed up anywhere? You might be interested in this piece of art, though

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That is an interesting picture and I wonder if that's where it started.

All women gorgeous. Men have lost their power of glamour.

This sounds like there was once a illusionist concept to the race, like a forest sprite concept or something.

I found this quote from a forum (http://www.gamesas.com/why-are-bosmer-men-short-t66750.html - Forgive the hyperlink but the box option doesn't seem to work with my version of IE).

Because Bosmer represent the idea that Women Are Always Beautiful and Men Are Always Short Ugly Trollish Creatures.

The way that's written with capitals is very reminiscent of MK. it smacks of his humour. Is this one of his quotes?

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Yeah. It went along with that concept I posted. Basically sitcom family syndrome, which I find kind of hilarious as the basis of a fantasy race that also exclusively eats meat and can turn into undead animals. The bosmer really feel like the devs had it out for the very idea of wood elves. 

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Not to be a pedant (oh no I hate that word) but I'd say almost exclusively, as there are some exceptions to meat mandate adherence throughout the lore. ESO even added a huge one.

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Lady N wrote:

Yeah. It went along with that concept I posted. Basically sitcom family syndrome, which I find kind of hilarious as the basis of a fantasy race that also exclusively eats meat and can turn into undead animals. The bosmer really feel like the devs had it out for the very idea of wood elves. 

Huh? I know nothing of this. Is that what The Wild Hunt is, zombie foxes?

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It's described in the First PGE and fictionally in a Dance in Fire