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Anything goes. Real lorebeard hours, gush if you feel like it.

Has to be Pelinal Whitestrake. No self-respecting human deny he's the best thing about TES. I'll wait for a Return to White Gold Tower shooter till I'm bones.

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Hmmmm

A gay crusader Terminator vs the odd specifications regarding Khajiiti privates

That's a toughie

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I know. I had to put my thinking cap on for this one.

I like the concept versions more: https://78.media.tumblr.com/47b814ccbdad872679b68957b34b75fa/tumblr_mvs2...

Maybe the closest thing to it from the past decade is Necrovision. Very confused game, but tonally that's similar to how I imagine the Alessian Rebellion.

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I lolled.

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Boethiah shitting out Malacath is pretty fun lore. Hermaeus Mora being left over ideas that never got implemented in Mundus I also really dig. But my favourite is probably the Hist. The real master race on Nirn. The main reason I do not fear the Thalmor. Just before they deactivate the final tower the Hist will turn all the Argonians into Deathclaws and wipe out every last Altmer. At least that's my prediction!

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Boethiah shitting out Malacath is pretty fun lore. Hermaeus Mora being left over ideas that never got implemented in Mundus I also really dig. But my favourite is probably the Hist. The real master race on Nirn. The main reason I do not fear the Thalmor. Just before they deactivate the final tower the Hist will turn all the Argonians into Deathclaws and wipe out every last Altmer. At least that's my prediction!

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No problem - nice post!  Most of the Elder Scrolls "lore" about the aedra, daedra, etc is pretty oblique and sometimes contradictory depending on the source. But Malacath ... ah Malacath ... the only daedric prince with space in his huge ego for a smidgeon of gratitude is given a less than auspicious entry into Elder Scrolls lore  as a daedric turd from the murderer and devourer of the preening, narcissistic elven spirit is a first class irony. I think the Bethesda lore writer had a bit of fun with this one. Maybe the Thalmor will be the recipients of a similar ironic award other than a rain of Death Claws. 

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Yeah when you put it like that I do feel a bit bad for Malacath.

Not really sure how the Thalmor should be taken down. Part of me would love a TES: Adventure spin-off where you fail to stop them and it's just Game Over. Or perhaps dismantling the dragon does something unexpected. I'm nowhere near a lorebeard so I'm not even going to specilate on what that could lead to.

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Loved the Ideal Masters. Their portrayal in Battlespire was awesome.

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I wish the Amulet of Kings was an Ideal Master.

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The Amulet of Kings an Ideal Master? Now that would be the ultimate Imperial poison pill. 

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Is the novel the infernal city cannon?

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Inigo the brave wrote:

Is the novel the infernal city cannon?

Yes, both of Greg Keyes' novels are canon like the games are. Of course, players can theorize and decide what is canon beyond games and novels, but games and novels are for sure canon.

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I personally love the lore around the Ideal Masters, however limited that may be. The idea of a powerful group of necromancers ascending to create a pseudo-plane of Oblivion to enslave those who have been soul-trapped forever is both terrifying and incredible to think about.

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I find Jurgen Windcaller swallowing shouts for 3 whole days is pretty badass (and greedy), you think you can get fat on shouts? Tongues in general are awesome, shame it's not utilised by the Nords anymore. - this is my first post on TIL, hello all. 

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I`m not sure if it is acceptable, but Pelinal seems more brutal with the shotgun to me )

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Definitely muatra, it haunts my dreams

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I know that Vivec and his rapestick are really popular among fans, but I've always kinda really hated them.

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Bibliophael wrote:

I know that Vivec and his rapestick are really popular among fans, but I've always kinda really hated them.


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Raga wrote:
Bibliophael wrote:

I know that Vivec and his rapestick are really popular among fans, but I've always kinda really hated them.

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Lol this

To be honest, I've mostly disliked people who treated Vivec as the only true character to like and TES III as the only TES game you are allowed to like. Nothing wrong with liking Vivec, but the way people sometimes like him...

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Vivec and the lore that surrounds him is really interesting, but he kind of warps the setting around himself, and I'd prefer things to be warped around something a little less scummy than this murderous rapist with a cool backstory.

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Ive been reading some of the infernal city an i must say its interesting as hell, i only dont like how it jumps back an forth from points of view of different characters makes it kinda hard to remember who is who an where they where at at the time of the last Entire. Also i would not recommend it to someone who has no knowledge of the elder scrolls universe lol they would be fucking lost

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Bibliophael wrote:

Vivec and the lore that surrounds him is really interesting, but he kind of warps the setting around himself, and I'd prefer things to be warped around something a little less scummy than this murderous rapist with a cool backstory.

He also literally warps the setting around himself.  Or rather, warps it to make him the god that we all know and love.  Or hate.  I actually find the whole idea of them altering time to make them gods to be far more interesting aspect of them than anything involving Muatra.

My favorite lore I suppose would be the Death of the Earth Bones and the the relevant metaphysics in both the past and present.  The creation of the Mundus we all know and love, the disappearance of the Dwemer, the presence and impact of divine and semi-divine figures in Tamriel's history such as Umaril and Morihaus, even Alduin is tied into it.

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~wrong thread

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I know I recently posted, but I need to post again.

Daedra Dossier: Cold-Flame Atronach

I like this for three reasons.  First, I've always been a fan of lore told from the perspective of the inhabitants of Oblivion, and this one conveys just how vast Oblivion is- at least tens of thousands of minor realms in addition to the major ones we know of.  Second, it goes a bit into the setting's material physics, describing how a realm is so cold that it undoes the bonds that holds bedrock together.  Third, it demonstrates that even despite its flaws, like books that shouldn't exist for centuries, ESO has some decent, consistent lore.

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Bibliophael wrote:

Vivec and the lore that surrounds him is really interesting, but he kind of warps the setting around himself, and I'd prefer things to be warped around something a little less scummy than this murderous rapist with a cool backstory.


Well, its not surprising everybody loves a rogue. If the gods didn't do transgressive things in the mythologies, then lessons would be boring and nobody would pay attention. Good chatacters are flawed and loved for their flaws. Personally, I love the Sharmat more, but I don't know. Would I hang out with an angry volcano god over a time-traveling wizard?

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He also literally warps the setting around himself.  Or rather, warps it to make him the god that we all know and love.  Or hate.  I actually find the whole idea of them altering time to make them gods to be far more interesting aspect of them than anything involving Muatra.

To be sure. CHIM, and the ability of certain god-heroes to warp reality around them is part of what makes TES so unique and fun.

But Vivec is so inseparable from what makes him loathsome, and it keeps coming up as a fundamental part of who he is. He's not admirable in any sense, that I can see, except insofar as you may admire power. He's a thief, he's a traitor, he's a rapist, he's a liar, a murderer, etc. But people, both in-universe and out, treat him like such a great guy. People want to ride his dick as buoyant armigers.

He's certainly interesting! But the red-tinged grey he represents - a traitor who killed the actual hero of Red Mountain, a sociopath who genocided his own people, a criminal who got put on trial only to rape the star witness without any consequences (and these only among his many other, less monumental if no less heinous, crimes) - is often forgotten and that really bothers me. I suppose it's all about how magic and, at a deep level, compelling CHIM is, that you can be a huge, unapologetic, irredeemable jerk, and get away with it for no better reason than your belief that you're just that great.

But it does still bother me that even now he's treated like the Main Character of The Elder Scrolls, who gets called back every time Kirkbride wants to make a statement about how weird he is.

Ted Kaczynski wrote:
Well, its not surprising everybody loves a rogue. If the gods didn't do transgressive things in the mythologies, then lessons would be boring and nobody would pay attention. Good chatacters are flawed and loved for their flaws. Personally, I love the Sharmat more, but I don't know. Would I hang out with an angry volcano god over a time-traveling wizard?

By contrast we have Dagoth Ur. A monster, to be sure, ruling over an army of monsters, bent on a reckless campaign of absolute genocide. And yet still more respectable than Vivec, simply because he comes by his madness honestly!

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Hello, all. This is my first post on this site in general though I've lurked for a long while and I'm still getting used to it, so apologies if this reply is necromancing some long-forgotten thing by this point, haha. My favorite lore is basically almost all the lore, but something I found on the more recent side that I love is this little biscuit. He drops big lore concepts so nonchalantly, being a funny dude all the while, I love him. I have him bookmarked in my lore folder just to go and contemplate sometimes, haha.

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RosemarySherry wrote:

Hello, all. This is my first post on this site in general though I've lurked for a long while and I'm still getting used to it, so apologies if this reply is necromancing some long-forgotten thing by this point, haha. My favorite lore is basically almost all the lore, but something I found on the more recent side that I love is this little biscuit. He drops big lore concepts so nonchalantly, being a funny dude all the while, I love him. I have him bookmarked in my lore folder just to go and contemplate sometimes, haha.


That's neat. Does he float like Morte from Planescape?

https://youtu.be/OeSL66olUi4
Speaking of Dagoth Ur, its older, but I never saw it until today. Reminded me of the Lore Forum, so here you go.

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                             I firstly, would say it's a three (or four, or more) way tie between the entire lore of the Khajiit and their whole mythos, and by non-linear and unrelated extension, the truth and more greater importance of Jyggalag, and just the Order Prince in general among the daedra and magne-ge, and moons (yes, that's right and true from my albeit obscure point of view, but that's another rabbit hole within the already consuming madness of which is The Elder Scrolls), aside from Sheoggorath's split mirage view of the deity that manifested itself of false independence! And finally, but not least, by any means, the Hist, and how non Saxhleel can be Argonians, and anything about the metaphysics regarding them, the math, songs, and the importance of their tree form, from water = memory, to the sacred sap beings of the padomaic void growing from the soil of the earth-bones aedra, and mixing with the sun magnus left and the stars to pour in from the aetherius of anuic beings and entities. Finishing off would be the secret and hidden roles of the select entities known as the Prisoner, the hero ( or not) that the player character chooses to play and interact with the world as. I have a headcanon of sorts that ties all of these to a honestly much needed revision and exploration of these concepts in a fresher and newer pore of both relativity and lesson, even the not so grand nor relatable, however cautious may-be. The under wings reveal the poems of a multitude of interesting genres.

         Now that introductions have been placed, simply, and not so yet, hopefully, and lastly, Thanks.

 

                                           

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I just want to add, since I'm the one who brought up Muatra and Vivec: I agree with y'all lol. Vivec is terrible, and easily one of the most hate-able characters ever, super scummy.

BUT he is also extremely intriguing and interesting on so many levels, he's like a really good and intriguing villain. So I understand why he's so popular, he is super cool even if he sucks. TBH that goes for all the tribunal. Interesting buttholes.

The muatra thing was a joke tho