Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
That sounds good to me. You could call it "The 36 Days of Vivec".
*per Sermon. Cost is non-refundable, we do not guarantee you will acheive any form of enlightenment, ascension, or apotheosis. We are not responsible for death, insanity, or non-existence due to Zero-Summing.
Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
I really don't know why I even go to TES General. I've had to argue against blatant simplification and reduction to stereotype of races in three threads already. They shit their pants at a single Blade skill but think that its not right for orcs to be anything but berserkers. It baffles the mind.
Oh it's just me having a wee bit of fun, but it's probable MK will pop up sooner or later to join in. But in apologia to those who thought I may have been MK, here's what seems to be MK's twitter.
He doesn't post anything TES related. I used to follow him when I first signed up (came up with the "recommend me people in my email list who are on twitter" thing) but then I decided that it was much too stalkerish and creepy.
Really guys, lets not do the random roleplay alt thing. It confuses the living shit out of everyone. Just sign with who ever you want to be that day or something.
Thanks,
Galdal Omayn, (ex) Buoyant Armiger.
P.S. At least now I know why the animal fuckery went over your head.
Really guys, lets not do the random roleplay alt thing. It confuses the living shit out of everyone. Just sign with who ever you want to be that day or something.
I vote the opposite. We each need to make a dozen accounts and post through them at random, with exactly half of the accounts being for roleplaying and nobody being allowed to divulge who they are... hell, I think it'd be fun - it'd also make it so I wouldn't automatically ignore half the posts I see due to not recognizing the poster.
Ultimately, its like the FSG used to say. If you don't have the balls to have your work (i.e. your post) attributed to yourself, theres no point in posting it. No sense in hiding behind false identities and confusing people as to who you really are.
The only time I can think of a roleplaying identity as being appropriate is for use in long roleplays (eg. Vehk in the Trial of Vivec) or in cases where its more than one person acting (eg. Temple Zero)
Oh it was just some harmless fun, I don't see a problem with it really -if it was a FSG article, sure, I'd submit it under TOYB, but for something that is essentially for entertainment and isn't actually relevant to actual lore, why not do it under an alt?
I'd say the idea of a Ball Masque is to present the strangest, wildest and most wicked ideas, only to leave none the wiser the next day. Though if you want to do properly it's going the way of Temple Zero already.
Anything that stops the Official Forums from freezing to death is well-endorsed. But play nice, since the halcyon days of wonder there were as much about being helpful as it was about being clever.
Ultimately, its like the FSG used to say. If you don't have the balls to have your work (i.e. your post) attributed to yourself, theres no point in posting it. No sense in hiding behind false identities and confusing people as to who you really are.
Fail. Two reasons.
One, I was being whimsical.
Secondly, I was being completely serious.
If it was done (and it would be awesome if it were), you miss the point entirely if you're caught up in who's who. Because really, why should we give a shit who's who?
It has nothing to do with not having the balls to have your work known, its has everything to do with having the balls to have your work known without all the glory going to you (whether roleplay or just answering a question). If the point was to hide or to confuse people, you might be right, but its not.
Who cares if its "Luagar2" or "Lady Nerevar" or "Proweler" that makes a post so long as the post is good. Is it not the quality of the post, not whether its attributed to yourself, that decides whether "theres no point in posting it"?
If its the post that matters, why have multiple identities? If its just the content then it can just as well be presented under a single name.
As for why identities are needed, its about how to respond to people. If I was a new member and posted some crazy shit about Magnus being Dagon I would probably be ignored or contradicted. If I'm a respected community member (ala Subadim, Proweler and the like) people are going to pay a hell of a lot more attention. Similarly, I doubt you would have said "Fail." at Adanorcil, Proweler, or MK.
Similarly, if I'm having a conversation with PersonX I can bring up their past views and see how their opinion on lore is impacting their current conversation. If I don't know that PersonX is really PersonY who used to be PersonZ then any sort of prior record goes out the window and we have to re-build our mental libraries of "this person is this" all over again. Maybe not much of an issue when its just a story or theory, but as soon as it goes into discussion knowing a person's sensibilities and the extent of their knowledge becomes vital.
Ultimately, I'm just easily confused.
Also, my post was not directed as much at your idea as it was at the concept in general.
Little as it matters, I regret bringing this up in the first place.
You've laid out your own counterargument. The reason to have multiple identities is because the post matters and the person does not, and like you said, if you're a respected community member people are going to pay a hell of a lot more attention. If you know PersonX you're being influenced by what you know about them, you're responding to their post through that lens rather than completely on the merit of the post, you said so yourself - the difference is that you're viewing it as a benefit (which, in truth, it can be, depending on your aims). If you'd build libraries of "this person is this" then you're still missing the point, precicely because the point is to avoid that. I don't need to know a person's sensibilities or the extent of their knowledge to know whether I'm right (excluding dev posts, 'cuz ya know, they get to make stuff up).
If you say you would be contradicted for being unknown you're already assuming that you're wrong, else they couldn't contradict you, and if your post is good enough you won't be ignored (we have a prime example with TOYB's thread, it was a new account but it was a good post so it wasn't ignored). You are correct that it matters little, even I have no intention of going through with this, but I enjoy the discussion.
It seems we need to get to know each other better, I most surely would have told Prow or Ada 'Fail', possibly with an addendum 'Suck it' if I proved them wrong. The problem is that we've been around since forever and have reached the point where we agree on everything, therefore I never get the opportunity. Not to mention that they don't like to go out on limbs much anymore for fear of what might happen should they fall, as with most of the old-timers (jack's still new and that's his best asset, he goes out on the limb and jumps around)... MK doesn't count because again, devs get to make stuff up and you can't fight against jello...
Does it seem like the two of us have been disagreeing alot lately? I think so, its not intentional. I don't tell you 'Fail' because I place you below Nazz, Dumbkid, B or paws (sorry, I felt like we needed some new names to throw around), I tell you Fail because you were being a humdrum, which is an emotion best met with blunt humor.
If were posting something totally new, like a story (see King Bendu's first post) then yea, identity doesn't really matter. When we're having discussions, like this one here, it does. Maybe its just me, but I like knowing to whom I'm responding. I know Subadim's views on Alinor, for instance, and I'm not going to go out and tell him he fails at lore when he says something I think is wrong, because I already know that he's heard all that before. However, whenever someone starts talking about Alinor in the mod forum I tend to jump in with the requisite lore lesson. I'm not going to bring up dracochrysalis or tonal architecture to modders or to newbies. If it was MK who asked "what happens if an elder scroll is destroyed" I would have assumed that something did happen and it is up to us to figure it out, since it wasn't, I went with my gut and said "nothing." Maybe you're one of those folks who treats everyone the same, but I'm not, and I don't think thats such a bad thing.
I've been getting into a whole bunch of arguments lately, I don't think its just you.
Like I said devs are jello so you can't use them as counterargument, the rules of war don't apply there. Also in my head I was confining this to the Lore Forum (mainly because I rarely go other places, I went into CD for a moment earlier today, truly depressing site), utter chaos would reign if such a thing were tried throughout the other areas (especially a place like the mod forum).
I don't treat everyone equally, I've already stated as much in that I often ignore posts from users I don't recognize unless they do something to intrigue me or happen to be the OP. I like the idea not only because I think it would be great fun but also because it would rid me of that bias, two cats with one hose as it were.
It seems we need to get to know each other better, I most surely would have told Prow or Ada 'Fail', possibly with an addendum 'Suck it' if I proved them wrong. The problem is that we've been around since forever and have reached the point where we agree on everything, therefore I never get the opportunity. Not to mention that they don't like to go out on limbs much anymore for fear of what might happen should they fall, as with most of the old-timers (jack's still new and that's his best asset, he goes out on the limb and jumps around)... MK doesn't count because again, devs get to make stuff up and you can't fight against jello...
Oh burn. Well not really. I have never been an out on a limb sort of person. My best arguments are just qoutes from different sources put in the right order and glueded together with a line of commentary.
Holy crap, we had a thread closed for post count in the Lore Forum! That hasn't happened since the beginning of May - and it was Rohugh who closed that one too...
Proweler wrote:
Oh burn. Well not really. I have never been an out on a limb sort of person. My best arguments are just qoutes from different sources put in the right order and glueded together with a line of commentary.
Its alright, cuz ya' see, if you don't have a strong, bark-covered trunk for the tree then there can be no limbs to go out on. If everybody were the type that jumps around on limbs the tree would eventually give way, likely crushing Shades in the process, who forms the immovable roots of the tree grounded firmly in reality. I think I've gone on enough with my tree analogy, that is all, good morning to all those for whom it is morning-time.
Lady N wrote:
Unless we're going to restrict ourselves to posting a single post full of ideas, the lore forum is all about discussion.
I thought it was about making the new people feel stupid for being new people. I don't think we've been doing as good a job as we could be in that area. But agreed, discussion is a big part of it too.
's yours? I like it. Though really this whole alt thing is confusing.
I feel like I've been stomping around the forum being real bossy. True?
[edit] Strike that. Role reversal, a feeling too long gone (I think I preferred the other)
No. Wish. Mike, meh-be.
Don't know. Been away.
I thought so too. It's more talk about the godhead. Isn't that his thingy?
Dagon wants Nirn because whoever wrote Oblivion's plot makes Keyes look like Kirkbride.
Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
That sounds good to me. You could call it "The 36 Days of Vivec".
Awesome, but it'd need a title in corporate self-help George Saunderese.
"36 Paths Through 36 Sermons: Three Dozen Ways to Conquer Your Self-Doubt and Become Master of the Tower-That-Is-A-Sideways-I"
Only 29.99 Septims!*
*per Sermon. Cost is non-refundable, we do not guarantee you will acheive any form of enlightenment, ascension, or apotheosis. We are not responsible for death, insanity, or non-existence due to Zero-Summing.
Psst, guys, I want to hold a series of 36 seminars on the 36 Lessons and compile the result into one uber volume of commentary, which will be so comprehensive as to make any newbie an instant lore meister.
What sparked that one?
Its something I've been wanting to do for a while (in fact, I have about half of Sermon 1 annotated to stupidity), but this thread reminded me.
How does it compare to Chekhov lol
UNFAVOURABLY
PS The Sermons thing will be much appreciated
I really don't know why I even go to TES General. I've had to argue against blatant simplification and reduction to stereotype of races in three threads already. They shit their pants at a single Blade skill but think that its not right for orcs to be anything but berserkers. It baffles the mind.
This post makes me think no.
Have a mod check the email? Or, hell, ask him.
Oh it's just me having a wee bit of fun, but it's probable MK will pop up sooner or later to join in. But in apologia to those who thought I may have been MK, here's what seems to be MK's twitter.
He doesn't post anything TES related. I used to follow him when I first signed up (came up with the "recommend me people in my email list who are on twitter" thing) but then I decided that it was much too stalkerish and creepy.
Really guys, lets not do the random roleplay alt thing. It confuses the living shit out of everyone. Just sign with who ever you want to be that day or something.
Thanks,
Galdal Omayn, (ex) Buoyant Armiger.
P.S. At least now I know why the animal fuckery went over your head.
If it is you, nice. That was fun.
I vote the opposite. We each need to make a dozen accounts and post through them at random, with exactly half of the accounts being for roleplaying and nobody being allowed to divulge who they are... hell, I think it'd be fun - it'd also make it so I wouldn't automatically ignore half the posts I see due to not recognizing the poster.
Ultimately, its like the FSG used to say. If you don't have the balls to have your work (i.e. your post) attributed to yourself, theres no point in posting it. No sense in hiding behind false identities and confusing people as to who you really are.
The only time I can think of a roleplaying identity as being appropriate is for use in long roleplays (eg. Vehk in the Trial of Vivec) or in cases where its more than one person acting (eg. Temple Zero)
Oh it was just some harmless fun, I don't see a problem with it really -if it was a FSG article, sure, I'd submit it under TOYB, but for something that is essentially for entertainment and isn't actually relevant to actual lore, why not do it under an alt?
I'd say the idea of a Ball Masque is to present the strangest, wildest and most wicked ideas, only to leave none the wiser the next day. Though if you want to do properly it's going the way of Temple Zero already.
Anything that stops the Official Forums from freezing to death is well-endorsed. But play nice, since the halcyon days of wonder there were as much about being helpful as it was about being clever.
Fail. Two reasons.
One, I was being whimsical.
Secondly, I was being completely serious.
If it was done (and it would be awesome if it were), you miss the point entirely if you're caught up in who's who. Because really, why should we give a shit who's who?
It has nothing to do with not having the balls to have your work known, its has everything to do with having the balls to have your work known without all the glory going to you (whether roleplay or just answering a question). If the point was to hide or to confuse people, you might be right, but its not.
Who cares if its "Luagar2" or "Lady Nerevar" or "Proweler" that makes a post so long as the post is good. Is it not the quality of the post, not whether its attributed to yourself, that decides whether "theres no point in posting it"?
If its the post that matters, why have multiple identities? If its just the content then it can just as well be presented under a single name.
As for why identities are needed, its about how to respond to people. If I was a new member and posted some crazy shit about Magnus being Dagon I would probably be ignored or contradicted. If I'm a respected community member (ala Subadim, Proweler and the like) people are going to pay a hell of a lot more attention. Similarly, I doubt you would have said "Fail." at Adanorcil, Proweler, or MK.
Similarly, if I'm having a conversation with PersonX I can bring up their past views and see how their opinion on lore is impacting their current conversation. If I don't know that PersonX is really PersonY who used to be PersonZ then any sort of prior record goes out the window and we have to re-build our mental libraries of "this person is this" all over again. Maybe not much of an issue when its just a story or theory, but as soon as it goes into discussion knowing a person's sensibilities and the extent of their knowledge becomes vital.
Ultimately, I'm just easily confused.
Also, my post was not directed as much at your idea as it was at the concept in general.
Little as it matters, I regret bringing this up in the first place.
You've laid out your own counterargument. The reason to have multiple identities is because the post matters and the person does not, and like you said, if you're a respected community member people are going to pay a hell of a lot more attention. If you know PersonX you're being influenced by what you know about them, you're responding to their post through that lens rather than completely on the merit of the post, you said so yourself - the difference is that you're viewing it as a benefit (which, in truth, it can be, depending on your aims). If you'd build libraries of "this person is this" then you're still missing the point, precicely because the point is to avoid that. I don't need to know a person's sensibilities or the extent of their knowledge to know whether I'm right (excluding dev posts, 'cuz ya know, they get to make stuff up).
If you say you would be contradicted for being unknown you're already assuming that you're wrong, else they couldn't contradict you, and if your post is good enough you won't be ignored (we have a prime example with TOYB's thread, it was a new account but it was a good post so it wasn't ignored). You are correct that it matters little, even I have no intention of going through with this, but I enjoy the discussion.
It seems we need to get to know each other better, I most surely would have told Prow or Ada 'Fail', possibly with an addendum 'Suck it' if I proved them wrong. The problem is that we've been around since forever and have reached the point where we agree on everything, therefore I never get the opportunity. Not to mention that they don't like to go out on limbs much anymore for fear of what might happen should they fall, as with most of the old-timers (jack's still new and that's his best asset, he goes out on the limb and jumps around)... MK doesn't count because again, devs get to make stuff up and you can't fight against jello...
Does it seem like the two of us have been disagreeing alot lately? I think so, its not intentional. I don't tell you 'Fail' because I place you below Nazz, Dumbkid, B or paws (sorry, I felt like we needed some new names to throw around), I tell you Fail because you were being a humdrum, which is an emotion best met with blunt humor.
If were posting something totally new, like a story (see King Bendu's first post) then yea, identity doesn't really matter. When we're having discussions, like this one here, it does. Maybe its just me, but I like knowing to whom I'm responding. I know Subadim's views on Alinor, for instance, and I'm not going to go out and tell him he fails at lore when he says something I think is wrong, because I already know that he's heard all that before. However, whenever someone starts talking about Alinor in the mod forum I tend to jump in with the requisite lore lesson. I'm not going to bring up dracochrysalis or tonal architecture to modders or to newbies. If it was MK who asked "what happens if an elder scroll is destroyed" I would have assumed that something did happen and it is up to us to figure it out, since it wasn't, I went with my gut and said "nothing." Maybe you're one of those folks who treats everyone the same, but I'm not, and I don't think thats such a bad thing.
I've been getting into a whole bunch of arguments lately, I don't think its just you.
Like I said devs are jello so you can't use them as counterargument, the rules of war don't apply there. Also in my head I was confining this to the Lore Forum (mainly because I rarely go other places, I went into CD for a moment earlier today, truly depressing site), utter chaos would reign if such a thing were tried throughout the other areas (especially a place like the mod forum).
I don't treat everyone equally, I've already stated as much in that I often ignore posts from users I don't recognize unless they do something to intrigue me or happen to be the OP. I like the idea not only because I think it would be great fun but also because it would rid me of that bias, two cats with one hose as it were.
It seems we need to get to know each other better, I most surely would have told Prow or Ada 'Fail', possibly with an addendum 'Suck it' if I proved them wrong. The problem is that we've been around since forever and have reached the point where we agree on everything, therefore I never get the opportunity. Not to mention that they don't like to go out on limbs much anymore for fear of what might happen should they fall, as with most of the old-timers (jack's still new and that's his best asset, he goes out on the limb and jumps around)... MK doesn't count because again, devs get to make stuff up and you can't fight against jello...
Oh burn. Well not really. I have never been an out on a limb sort of person. My best arguments are just qoutes from different sources put in the right order and glueded together with a line of commentary.
Unless we're going to restrict ourselves to posting a single post full of ideas, the lore forum is all about discussion.
Holy crap, we had a thread closed for post count in the Lore Forum! That hasn't happened since the beginning of May - and it was Rohugh who closed that one too...
Its alright, cuz ya' see, if you don't have a strong, bark-covered trunk for the tree then there can be no limbs to go out on. If everybody were the type that jumps around on limbs the tree would eventually give way, likely crushing Shades in the process, who forms the immovable roots of the tree grounded firmly in reality. I think I've gone on enough with my tree analogy, that is all, good morning to all those for whom it is morning-time.
I thought it was about making the new people feel stupid for being new people. I don't think we've been doing as good a job as we could be in that area. But agreed, discussion is a big part of it too.